• Doc Avid Mornington@midwest.social
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      1 year ago

      You aren’t wrong, in a way. I’m nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don’t have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn’t mean it’s time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.

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      I don’t really agree with you, but even if I did… “advertising it” is a big part of politics! It’s called messaging, and it’s important. You have to get people excited to vote for you. They need to feel like you’re fighting for them. If you can’t manage that, then don’t blame people for not voting for you.

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        Yeah, but there’s a couple things wrong. First, the Dems are trying to DO things, which is exceedingly difficult with a Republican Congress that can’t even agree on a speaker.

        But also, DOING things just doesn’t get that much attention.

        Fixing the threatening hyper-inflation after the PPP was pretty damn important, but they obviously can’t advertise that because there are side effects. Our economy is returning to being based on real shit rather than make believe Venture Capital bullshit. That’s a painful process, and of course the rich and corporations refuse to feel any of the pain (at least immediately). They’re attempting to pawn all the pain off onto the working class, partly in the hope that they’ll get more corporate tax cuts to “stimulate the economy”.

        They’re getting more EVs made in America. The significant tax credit for EVs require that most of the car be made here.

        They’re fixing our crumbling bridges and roads. That doesn’t get much attention, and if it does it’ll be a part they’ve failed to address.

        Amtrak is building out passenger rail lines that are actually relevant to me. It’s not building metro systems in several medium US cities that need it, but it’s a start.

        You know a way that’s much, much easier to get attention? Maybe the Dems should just pick a minority and spout fear and hate. That really plays much better with the public. Just put up a loud mouth who every other day spouts such incredibly dumb shit that the news HAS to cover it. That’s a winning messaging strategy.

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          I can’t afford an EV. I can’t afford a house. I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries. I can’t afford health insurance-- actually, I can afford the minimum insurance I am required to purchase, but it is basically worthless. This is the kind of shit I don’t hear/see much convincing from Democrats. Yes, fuck the fascists in the Republican party. Unfortunately, fascism can look like an ‘answer’ for these kind of problems. If we don’t want people to fall for that trap, we need popular politics coming from the left.

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            I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries.

            What do you expect any president to do about that?

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              President specifically, nothing. Government and a political party as a whole? Fix the problem.

              There’s lots of ideas as to how to fix the problem, and though I have my own and have preferences, all that ultimately matters is that every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.

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                You want government to fix the problem of you making bad life choices?

                …how?

                every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.

                That you don’t understand that this is a ridiculously extreme ask is just unreal to me.

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                  I was trying to encompass a lot of stuff in that phrasing, and I get the impression it came out very poorly.

                  My meaning is along the lines of including things like the ability to freely reach the necessary places for desired social engagement, access to whatever modern communication and interaction systems there are and so on, without limiting it to current technology or physical structure.

                  I didn’t want to say ‘a vehicle and internet’ since those may not be necessary depending on other things. Even this explanation doesn’t really cover it; there’s a bunch of stuff in my head I want the government to be ensuring for us and it would take a huge essay to cover it all.

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                    That’s basically the opposite of what I thought you meant, which was that all of those things should be guaranteed and no one should have to work.

                    Good old written mediums

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              I expect someone running for president to sound like they give a fuck about that, and (once elected) to use their position as the party leader to constantly marshal their forces towards real solutions to those problems.

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        I also think people cling to the negatives. With student debt relief, everyone was cynical as hell at the time and still attacked the Dems.

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      He’s currently failing to handle the current most pressing international issue in a way that satisfies his voter base, though.

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        He is, don’t think that contradicts anything I’ve said though. I’m just saying they do more than they let on.