Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement to free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.
Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement to free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.
Because trump totally would have gotten that ceasefire
don’t shame people into voting for shit, fix your bad candidate problem. bad candidates scare off swing voters in the suburbs worse than progressive candidates
If you’re given the option to lessen the chance of the greatest evil happening by merely pushing a button, and you think “naah I’m not gunna,” then you absolutely should feel shame. If your inaction supports the greater evil coming to power, absolutely shame on you.
So trump is a better candidate in your eyes?
Because that is who you are effectively voting for if you don’t vote Biden next year
If you don’t donate to Biden you’re effectively donating to Trump.
I will not vote for genocide. That’s my red line. If you vote for the lesser of two genocides you’re still voting for genocide.
If Biden actually manages to stop Israel from continuing its genocide he has my vote! That’s all it would take and that is not a high bar.
So you vote for nothing and the worst of the two gets in anyway. The family who would’ve otherwise lived in the ‘lesser genocide’ thanks you. In what realm does that make sense?
These “red line” commenters are so blinded by their own purity tests that they can’t see they’re actually supporting the greater genocide. Every thread here on lemmy is full of them, and they all make the same case, but they refuse to acknowledge the actual reality, which is that not voting for the one person who has an actual chance to beat Trump, they’re actually supporting him. Not as much as they would if they actually voted for him, but still significantly.
If Trump wins by a narrow margin, it will be because of these red-liners who valued their own purity over the lives of others.
By not donating to Biden you are supporting Trump.
In a way, there’s an argument to be made there. If you’re not doing everything you can to help defeat evil, then you are allowing that evil some amount of support.
On the other hand, your vote is black and white. By not voting for the one person who has an actual chance to beat Trump, your actions are inarguably are supporting Trump.
Your money is black and white too. By not donating to the one person that has an actual chance to beat Trump, your actions are unarguably supporting Trump. Similarly! By not volunteering your time to the one person that has an actual chance to beat Trump…
Zero. Difference.
You could argue he’s donating his time right now trying to sway people in a public forum and getting them to think I support for his candidate of the lesser of two evils.
No, he’s posting on an anonymous internet thread. That’s literally nothing. Shouting into the void.
I literally just agreed with you in my previous post. So I guess you agree now, and you’ve realized that the only reasonable choice is to vote for Biden.
I’m voting downticket for Democrats so they hinder Trump.
I won’t vote for genocide. I’d rather kill myself.
Trump literally led a violent insurrection to stay in power.
Vote for local government and representatives. But they aren’t going to be able to do much when the Nazis come marching again
My family is Palestinian. Don’t use my people as an excuse to not vote biden. We are all voting for him because we understand how much worse Trump will be. Understand that if Trump wins and you didn’t vote biden (the only other viable candidate) you are just as responsible for what he does as the people who voted for him
If you don’t do the bare minimum to stop the worst possible outcome (ticking a small fucking box on election day) then you are complicit in the outcome.
Trump is already talking about basically ethnically cleansing the us in the context of mass deportation of immigrants and other parts of his “platform”.
It is less “voting for the lesser of two genocides”. It is preventing the ones you can.
And by threatening to withhold my vote I’m trying to prevent further genocide in Gaza. We’ve already forced Biden this far, we can force him farther if he realizes it could cost him the election.
So, no ceasefire, no votes.
By voting blue-no-matter-who, you’re just making Biden worse.
If Biden doesn’t get the ceasefire, you won’t vote for him
But who would you vote for, then?
No other candidates, Democrat or Republican, that run again Biden will be able to get the ceasefire, either - come time to vote.
So….you won’t vote at all?
I’ll vote downticket for Democrats and write Hillary Clinton in to the Presidential spot.
Democrats in the House and Senate would rein in Trump and it’s still Her turn!!!
Not against her as a candidate, but you know writing her in will just waste a vote.
There’s also no promise that if she were in the potus seat right now that she could definitively broker a ceasefire. We don’t know how any of it would work with anyone else.
Let’s give Biden a chance.
(Btw im all for voting for another deserving candidate who runs against him on the Democratic ticket)
I’m giving Biden a chance right now. He has almost an entire fucking year to pull this off.
The pressure is already adding up, you can’t say that Democrats haven’t budged on this issue. It’s working.
Keep up the pressure. No ceasefire, no votes.
Clinton. You’d vote for Clinton in this theoretical scenario as to who would get your vote in negotiating a ceasefire as president during this crisis.
The Hillary Clinton who has expressly opposed a ceasefire during this very crisis.
That Clinton.
Problem?
No, actually, this resolves the ongoing question I had as to whether you were just ignorant, or expressly an enemy of democracy LARPing as a Very Concerned Citizen.
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Ah so the solution is to let the person who will make it worse and officially start the trans genocide within the US win. You’re so smart. Your intelligence eclipses everyone else’s here. If you can’t stop 1 genocide let’s just let 2 happen while the other gets worse. Genius. Absolutely genius.
don’t let people shame you into supporting evil
You should feel shame if your inaction supports the greatest evil.
I feel shame for being American and not laying down my life to oppose this demon shithole.
I mean, you do you. But dying also won’t help stop Trump.
Voting on the other hand…
Good. Feel shame. Put up or shut up.
I won’t be young forever. Hell I’m not sure if I’m even still young now.
Good idea. Thanks for your support. I hope you join me.
I won’t, because I’m not under the impression that armed conflict that kills millions and obliterates the country economically and socially for decades (the ‘best’ realistic scenario) is better than the status quo. Of course, more likely than that is that ‘laying down’ your life to oppose the US will just result in you laying down your life and nothing else happening, because the millions of people living here are also not keen on overthrowing the government for [checks notes] being allies with bad countries.