I respectfully disagree with Black Agenda Report on this. I believe it’s ultra left to refuse to create a broad cross political anti-war movement because it is in fact broad and cross political. Of course it’s going to be, that’s the point of it. And why aren’t we being purists and keeping the anti-war movement within the anti-imperial left? Because we do not have the numbers, and so to be effective and aid not only Russia but the working class abroad, it is necessary to work with the middle class in America on mutual interest projects such as opposing NATO imperialism against Russia.
This isn’t something new to the left either, Mao was famous for critically working with various factions of political lines whenever it benefited the Chinese proletariat.
This is simply pragmatism over dogmatism. It is not as if we are justifying or even giving them a pass for their politics, on the contrary we still fight them on their politics, but what benefit is there to us in rejecting their assistance in fighting NATO imperialism?
Previously his content has been on point but this particular article is heavy with aesthetic-based arguments, primarily that they are not us and do not share any politics with us aside from the one we are uniting on, which as I already explained is an oxymoron, of course they won’t, but this is an anti-war movement not a left movement which is still ongoing parallel to this.
It is also over-reliant on identity arguments and lacking in economic analysis which cheapens his overall argument.
The Trotskyists walked into a bar and said “here’s how not opposing imperialism is actually Marxism”, the bartender says “you huh? Back again?”
There were both anarchist flags as well as USSR flags flown at that rally 12
I employ you to not believe the narrative the bourgeois media are spinning attempting to deathblow an anti-war movement out of the gate by smearing it as fascist.
Yep. People who want to treat socialism like an isolated clique are good for nothing. If you won’t organize with someone until they agree with your 24 point program then you aren’t organizing on a mass-line and will never build any momentum. The only red-brown alliance that has ever been is already in power: There’s plenty of people here more eager to do their bidding than organize a popular front. Ultra’s be damned.
Well, there is the path towards socialism which lies within the class struggle, then there is the anti-war movement which in this case lies within a popular front. The two exist parallel but separated, perhaps with a bridge to the peasantry. My critique isn’t that they are ultras and demand servitude to their 24 point program to organize a popular front, nor that we should or should not do this either, it is that they cannot be trusted, their record and character is shady, and they have been ultimately ineffective… If this is your critique of them, ok.
I also think it’s a mistake to necessarily assume people here are doing their bidding as opposed to trying to navigate today’s political atmosphere of doublespeak (ass-backwards) propaganda and opportunism.
I respectfully disagree with Black Agenda Report on this. I believe it’s ultra left to refuse to create a broad cross political anti-war movement because it is in fact broad and cross political. Of course it’s going to be, that’s the point of it. And why aren’t we being purists and keeping the anti-war movement within the anti-imperial left? Because we do not have the numbers, and so to be effective and aid not only Russia but the working class abroad, it is necessary to work with the middle class in America on mutual interest projects such as opposing NATO imperialism against Russia.
This isn’t something new to the left either, Mao was famous for critically working with various factions of political lines whenever it benefited the Chinese proletariat.
This is simply pragmatism over dogmatism. It is not as if we are justifying or even giving them a pass for their politics, on the contrary we still fight them on their politics, but what benefit is there to us in rejecting their assistance in fighting NATO imperialism?
Previously his content has been on point but this particular article is heavy with aesthetic-based arguments, primarily that they are not us and do not share any politics with us aside from the one we are uniting on, which as I already explained is an oxymoron, of course they won’t, but this is an anti-war movement not a left movement which is still ongoing parallel to this.
It is also over-reliant on identity arguments and lacking in economic analysis which cheapens his overall argument.
The Trotskyists walked into a bar and said “here’s how not opposing imperialism is actually Marxism”, the bartender says “you huh? Back again?”
There were both anarchist flags as well as USSR flags flown at that rally 1 2
I employ you to not believe the narrative the bourgeois media are spinning attempting to deathblow an anti-war movement out of the gate by smearing it as fascist.
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Yep. People who want to treat socialism like an isolated clique are good for nothing. If you won’t organize with someone until they agree with your 24 point program then you aren’t organizing on a mass-line and will never build any momentum. The only red-brown alliance that has ever been is already in power: There’s plenty of people here more eager to do their bidding than organize a popular front. Ultra’s be damned.
Well, there is the path towards socialism which lies within the class struggle, then there is the anti-war movement which in this case lies within a popular front. The two exist parallel but separated, perhaps with a bridge to the peasantry. My critique isn’t that they are ultras and demand servitude to their 24 point program to organize a popular front, nor that we should or should not do this either, it is that they cannot be trusted, their record and character is shady, and they have been ultimately ineffective… If this is your critique of them, ok.
I also think it’s a mistake to necessarily assume people here are doing their bidding as opposed to trying to navigate today’s political atmosphere of doublespeak (ass-backwards) propaganda and opportunism.