Welcome to [RAMBLE]
ramble.pw

Ramble is an effort to also promote the use of alternative internets ie. not just https regular web.

The great thing about their setup is that it allows users from various anonymity networks to actually interact with one another in a seamless, transparent fashion. Someone browsing their Onion Service may be responding to a post made from the clearnet, and have their response upvoted from someone who agrees with their comment from the I2P eepsite while a Yggdrasil user is creating a forum. Regardless of the method you choose to access the Ramble website, you’d be interacting with people from outside of your network in a relatively unique fashion. You can login to your account through any network that you wish. Post on your phone using the clearnet website, come home, and hop on the I2P eepsite and you’ll have everything right there.

Another interesting feature is a fully transparent moderation log, showing any banned users or other deletions made (a bit like Aether does) with a reason. You only need to choose any username and password to get going, no e-mail or phone number requested to register.

See https://ramble.pw/f/ramble/3/welcome-to-ramble

#technology #alternativeto #reddit #ramble #privacy

  • Thann
    91·
    3 years ago

    Is this centralized proprietary bullshit, or am I missing something?

    • southerntofu
      71·
      3 years ago

      It’s based on postmill, developed by anarchist comrades from the raddle.me community. There was a lot of drama involving ramble.me which is an actual PRO-FASCIST postmill instance, including the postmill devs considering stopping everything because of that. Just imagine, you’re writing a piece of software for friends & comrades to find a space, just for it to be used by nazis? Wow…

      On the centralized side of things, yes it’s centralized, no it’s not proprietary nor bullshit. It’s centralized because it’s intended to be a small, closed-off community. I’m on there too and been advocating for federation with other news aggregator, but given the history between raddle and lemmy (with early days lemmy having heavy hand on censoring critiques of chinese government, and raddle devs being happy to ban marxist-leninists and other authoritarians on sight) that didn’t gather a lot of support.

      I sometimes laugh in my bed, thinking that marxists are building a federated network while anarchists are building a centralized one. It’s funny, the differences between theory and practice? (For those who don’t understand, those respective philosophies/ideologies advocate the exact opposite, where marxist-leninists promote so-called democratic centralism, and anarchists promote federation of autonomous communes).

      • ancom
        1·
        3 years ago

        sometimes laugh in my bed, thinking that marxists are building a federated network while anarchists are building a centralized one. It’s funny, the differences between theory and practice?

        yeah me too. Thought they don’t argue for centralization, but for autonomous spaces, that do interact with each other without agreeing to a specific standard.

        They propose to use hyperlinks as a means for that. Thought unfortunate, raddle is the only online community that is interactive and not anarchistnews.org (the later one is to toxic for me) to which they link to. Raddle is nice, but sometimes also a bit rough. I would appreciate the existence of a place that could interact with raddle, but is on at the same independent from it.

    • GadgeteerZAOP
      6·
      3 years ago

      Actually nothing is stated about open source so we’d have to assume then it is not. Any open source site does usually state this pretty clearly.

      • Thann
        7·
        3 years ago

        Yup, open source projects say it loudly and proudly, and GPL projects are obligated to lol

          • GadgeteerZAOP
            2·
            3 years ago

            Seems Raddle is built on PostMill too, and judging from its Wiki it is a bit more open about where it comes from etc - https://raddle.me/wiki and has a Tor node address

          • Thann
            21·
            3 years ago

            Ahh, excellent find. Postmill uses the zlib licence which states:

            The origin of this software must not be misrepresented;

            One could argue, that by not saying that they’re running postmill on their frontpage, they’re “missrepresenting the origin” 🤔

            • GadgeteerZAOP
              1·
              3 years ago

              Yes I’ve actually asked them too on that same link whether they are passing the improvements back to PostMill. The absolute worst is using and building on an open source project, and not giving anything back (not even the credit). Thanks for that license detail as well, as I can bring that up. Raddle (not to be confused with Ramble) is very clear that they are using PostMill and state that also on their footers.

              Interesting though in zlib: “you must not claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software in a product, an acknowledgement in the product documentation would be appreciated but is not required”. Bit sad as it does not seem to require passing improvements back nor explicitly mentioning PostMill, jut not to misrepresent that you wrote it all from scratch.

              That was one reason why I stopped using Vivaldi browser - although I loved it, it was very distasteful to me to see something built on top of open source, but not passing back the improvements at all.

              • Thann
                2·
                3 years ago

                Yeah, it is distasteful. The GPL is why Linux is bigger than BSD; forced cooperation is better for everyone.