The images show war crimes CNN. War crimes.
They’re straight up razing the region into the ground. How the fuck are governments okay with this wanton destruction of people’s lives and homes.
Because speaking out against Israel is very frequently (and maliciously) intentionally misconstrued as antisemitism to allow them to get away with crimes against humanity. It’s been this way for decades, it’s just a lot more open and obvious currently.
It’s actually worse than that. For decades the media, politicians, and the Israeli government have deliberately conflated Israel, the country, with the Israeli government/leadership, the Israeli population, Judaism, the religion, and the Jewish community more broadly (including the diaspora).
So now any criticism of the Israeli government is a criticism of the country, the people, and the religion simultaneously, depending on what’s most convenient.
And there’s a few rather alarming types of political movements that deliberately blur the lines between the people, the state, and the leadership (and in this case the dominant religion) in order to minimize criticism and maximize loyalty…
Yes! Thank you for putting this out there. I always forget about that aspect of it, and I was actually just listening to an episode of Hood Politics (You wasn’t outside part 2) that went over this and had a really good set of clips from a rabbi that expounded on this very topic.
So Cartman was right they control the world.
Very nice, succinct example of exactly what I was talking about: by blurring the line between Judaism, the Jewish people, and the Israeli state, folks like you can paint any kind of criticism of Israeli government action, their supporters in media, or allied governments, as antisemitic, thereby shutting down reasonable discussion. Truly a thought terminating comment. Well done.
The Nazi regime was both the worst and the best thing that could happen to the Jews. It was absolutely horrific, but it’s given them a seemingly infinite get out of jail card.
It’s not okay, but their reasoning is:
We have to rescue out citizens who have been taken hostage.
To do that we will send in troops.
To make it safe for the troops we will level all existing structures.
Dead civilians aren’t our responsibility because they are not our people.
It’s ghoulish, if someone kidnapped a family and hid in the basement of my apartment, no one reasonable would support demolishing the building with people inside their homes to get at them.
Really weird to carpet bomb a country BEFORE doing anything about hostages that were taken there especially when the country is smaller than the state of Rhode Island by almost a factor of 10. Other countries have already gotten people freed, Israel was busy putting the hostages in danger.
Add on to that the REFUSAL TO ACCEPT HOSTAGES because “we don’t want your dirty bargaining chips (our citizens)”. Yeah, really fucking weird.
Israel (8550 square miles) is about the size of New Jersey. Gaza (141 square miles) is half the size of New York City and the West Bank (2182 square miles) is a little smaller than Delaware or two Rhode Islands.
For the west coast Americans, Israel is bit bigger than the SF Bay Area. Gaza is three times the size of San Francisco. The West Bank is roughly the size of Sonoma and Marin counties together.
The gaza strip is 140 square miles. No ones dropping years worth of munitions on the west bank right now. All those bombs that added up to more than a year of the US bombing Afghanistan are falling in 140 square miles. You know where the bombs are dropping. Lets keep on the Afghanistan comparison. They have a quarter million square miles and got in one year what Gaza got in two weeks. Afghanistan has over 1700 times the area of the Gaza strip.
But “Israel has a right to defend itself”.
I love that statement has no limits.
The rebel incursions are a direct challenge to the authority and stability of the Empire. It’s crucial to respond decisively to such threats.
I think it’s a star wars quote from tarkin.
Can you elaborate on this please?
This is not the explanation you’re looking for
It amazes me how accurate the IDF’s intelligence seems to be, they seem to know every weapon stash and tunnel entrance in the whole of gaza /s
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Things have gotten so out of hand. It is sad to see.
There was a map somewhere that showed all of Gaza and indicated damage and destroyed - they seem to be focussing on destroying various small(ish) areas pretty much to the ground.
I assume they have intel on tunnel complexes there, or just want to be able to flatten enough to have ‘safe’ areas inside Gaza?
It’s definitely a Russia style invasion style they are going for, not caring about collateral damage at all…
Edit: I can’t find the image so I don’t know if it was actually reliable
I think you’re referring to this Economist article which tracks the difference between October 6th and October 12th.
Not the exact map, but definitely showing the same thing (and a reputable source).
It is a huge amount of damage, but it is relatively contained (for now). I can’t imagine you would feel safe in one of the undamaged areas though.
I fucking hate Israel. They’re an abhorant infestation.
I would have said, “settler colonial state”. What that state is doing to the Palestinians will, in the lense of history, be seen as equivalent to what the United States did to the indigenous peoples.
“Infestation” is too close to fascist antisemitic tropes and while criticism of Israel is NOT automatically antisemitic, it can be.
Yeah, fair enough. I just didn’t want to call them a country. They’re invaders committing a slow genocide of the Palestinian people.
Is it just me or does Gaza look like an extremely ancient abandoned since forever civilization now?
I blame both Hamas AND the Israeli Defence Force for this. The former for turning civilian infrastructure into bases, and the latter for bombing all of it. Seriously you guys?
Let the Israeli children destroy their sand castles. I’m sure they’ll learn that it costs money to build more, eventually
Tough pill to swallow: Don’t make tunnels under your house.
Tough pill to swallow: don’t use proximity shielding as an excuse to kill civilians in one of the most dense areas in the world.
After Hamas broke through and started murdering people, I swear people just expected Israel to take it? Not react? Not retaliate? Leave? I don’t understand what anyone expected here. Hamas wanted this and knew it would happen.
I mean asymmetrical warfare is a messy affair. Hamas gets new recruits who are angered about their family and homes being destroyed. Big nations typically don’t win these kind of engagements in the modern era because at least to modern sensibilities we don’t really want to see pointless slaughter and genocide, this isn’t to advocate for it, quite far from it but historically typically you would have to be ruthless to subjugate people but thankfully modern sensibilities say that is pretty fucked. So really this will either end up another “forever” war or one of the sides will be wiped out entirely.
Yes, there are people who 100% think Israel not only should forgive and forget about Oct 7. Then there are the people who think Israelis deserve that and worse.
You realize Israel has been the aggressor for over 20 years, right? Palestine has finally gathered enough military resources to counter attack in retaliation. It’s self defense at this point
So you agree with the IDF in that targeting civilians is self defense?
Or are we playing pedantic games again where we try to rationalize bad things by wearing victimized status one moment while murdering children the next? Maybe the IDF and Hamas are both responsible. Hamas aren’t freedom fighters like my fellow lefties are making them out to be. They want a theonomic system. And they have one.
Wow, you know nothing about the conflict
True, Israel has actually been the aggressor for waaaaaay longer than 20 years.
