• Phanatik@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    They’re straight up razing the region into the ground. How the fuck are governments okay with this wanton destruction of people’s lives and homes.

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      11 months ago

      Because speaking out against Israel is very frequently (and maliciously) intentionally misconstrued as antisemitism to allow them to get away with crimes against humanity. It’s been this way for decades, it’s just a lot more open and obvious currently.

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        It’s actually worse than that. For decades the media, politicians, and the Israeli government have deliberately conflated Israel, the country, with the Israeli government/leadership, the Israeli population, Judaism, the religion, and the Jewish community more broadly (including the diaspora).

        So now any criticism of the Israeli government is a criticism of the country, the people, and the religion simultaneously, depending on what’s most convenient.

        And there’s a few rather alarming types of political movements that deliberately blur the lines between the people, the state, and the leadership (and in this case the dominant religion) in order to minimize criticism and maximize loyalty…

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          Yes! Thank you for putting this out there. I always forget about that aspect of it, and I was actually just listening to an episode of Hood Politics (You wasn’t outside part 2) that went over this and had a really good set of clips from a rabbi that expounded on this very topic.

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          11 months ago

          So Cartman was right they control the world.

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            Very nice, succinct example of exactly what I was talking about: by blurring the line between Judaism, the Jewish people, and the Israeli state, folks like you can paint any kind of criticism of Israeli government action, their supporters in media, or allied governments, as antisemitic, thereby shutting down reasonable discussion. Truly a thought terminating comment. Well done.

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        11 months ago

        The Nazi regime was both the worst and the best thing that could happen to the Jews. It was absolutely horrific, but it’s given them a seemingly infinite get out of jail card.

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      11 months ago

      It’s not okay, but their reasoning is:

      We have to rescue out citizens who have been taken hostage.

      To do that we will send in troops.

      To make it safe for the troops we will level all existing structures.

      Dead civilians aren’t our responsibility because they are not our people.

      It’s ghoulish, if someone kidnapped a family and hid in the basement of my apartment, no one reasonable would support demolishing the building with people inside their homes to get at them.

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        Really weird to carpet bomb a country BEFORE doing anything about hostages that were taken there especially when the country is smaller than the state of Rhode Island by almost a factor of 10. Other countries have already gotten people freed, Israel was busy putting the hostages in danger.

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          Add on to that the REFUSAL TO ACCEPT HOSTAGES because “we don’t want your dirty bargaining chips (our citizens)”. Yeah, really fucking weird.

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          11 months ago

          Israel (8550 square miles) is about the size of New Jersey. Gaza (141 square miles) is half the size of New York City and the West Bank (2182 square miles) is a little smaller than Delaware or two Rhode Islands.

          For the west coast Americans, Israel is bit bigger than the SF Bay Area. Gaza is three times the size of San Francisco. The West Bank is roughly the size of Sonoma and Marin counties together.

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            The gaza strip is 140 square miles. No ones dropping years worth of munitions on the west bank right now. All those bombs that added up to more than a year of the US bombing Afghanistan are falling in 140 square miles. You know where the bombs are dropping. Lets keep on the Afghanistan comparison. They have a quarter million square miles and got in one year what Gaza got in two weeks. Afghanistan has over 1700 times the area of the Gaza strip.