A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.
How do they define “antisemitic acts”? There have been widespread protests in support of Palestinian civilians, which goes against a ban in place since the attack by Hamas. Are they going to use vague definitions to revoke citizenship for people protesting against the genocide of Palestinians?
Nazi icons/clothing/symbols are outright banned. It’s not unspecific.
The statement is 100% in response to pro-Palestinian protests. They do not need to remind everyone not to be an outright Nazi.
Yes, I’m aware. In theory, giving parents more control over their kid’s education is good too. I’m against the Stop WOKE act though.
Uh, is my lemmy attaching the wrong replies to posts or something? Cause for me the comment this reply is on just doesn’t make sense as what is being replied to.
Lemmy does have some bugs. You do see the odd comment in a thread that was meant to be posted on another post.
If it doesn’t make sense, let me explain it. Germany has previously banned nazi iconography. This has been true for my entire life. I’m drawing parallels between this new law in the article from Germany that has very little explanation, and an unconstitutionally vague bill in Florida being used to ban real history about the US.
What does “unconstitutionally vague” mean?
I’ve never heard of this before. Thanks.
Yes
No, it’s impossible to revoke German citizenship. Defined in article 16 GG. The only exception is treason benefitting a state the offender also holds citizenship in.
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Did you make that? Good job.
Well played, Boomer
…but if you’re an outright Nazi, German intelligence might have a job for you.
Is there maybe a way to use this to revoke citizenship of all these CXU/AfD Fascists?
Nope. These types of laws are never aimed at blonde and blue-eyed people… not in the west, anyway.
If you’re not white but you want the best for your country and love your job, you’re fired and accused of being a communist lol. Literally idiocracy.
There is not (Art. 16 GG). IIRC the only exception is the fringe case of someone having dual citizenship and enlisting to fight in a conflict involving the other country or some shit.
Yeah, the law this vague is purposely designed to be abused by the government. German police are already trying Nazi tactics at this point. The pro Palestinian rally at Frankfurt, they literally isolated young people with Palestinian flags, took pictures of people and their ID cards, and suddenly these people now have started getting problems in their schools,universities and jobs, even when they never shared anything political themselves. Germany and Fascism is a story for the ages.
That sounds really extreme. Do you have a reliable source for that?
It’s all over Twitter (or X), YouTube and TikTok. Plus, I was there in person and saw plenty but can’t show due to self preservation.
You have to realize that this is not a terribly convincing statement, right?
I do, but I gotta do “Trust me Bro” cuz I like anonymity here on Lemmy.
How would linking one of the many posts you saw “all over twitter” break your anonymity?
Maybe just don’t do antisemitic shit
Ah yes, because recognizing that Palestinian civilians should have human rights and not be discarded like subhuman scum is what flies as antisemitism now.
And it should be Palestinians human right to shoot at and kidnap Israeli civilians or say Jews are filth that the land should be cleansed of?
What part of “don’t kill Palestinians” is the same as antisemitism?
The part where people are attacking and harassing Jews worldwide right now
the part where pro-palestinian protesters attack jews and synagogues. This happened some years ago here in Germany and happens now again.
The german central council of jews is aware of this and has been complaining about the rising number of antisemitic attacks by Muslims for many years now.
Lol
So you did “MAH WESEARCH???” Go try that shit at reddit. This shit doesn’t work here.
So you have none, gotcha.
The law is pretty clear. Are you a Nazi? Don’t be or else you don’t get a citizenship. They already have a law against being a Nazi so this new one isn’t some new law they could abuse now that they couldn’t before. Stop fear mongering.
Imagine just being an innocent person being caught up in this crap, then having literally everyone try to scapegoat you lol
How are they going to detect that, a “yes/no” question?
Per the article, past convictions.
Germany now bans Germany
Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time
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They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine
Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.
And Ukraine I suppose
Until the brain-scan is perfected.
geeze get over your preconceptions about europeans, they have words for yes and no…
yikes
Why not make that hate crimes in general?
Because that’s already in the law:
Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.
This is 100% performative bullshit.
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Imagine being this misinformed lol
Israel is a apartheid ethnostate, so it’s a model country for white nationalist.
It’s neither of those things, and it’s really racist of you to say.
20% of Israel is made up of non-jewish Arabs and they have full citizenship. Also, fun fact, not all Jews are white.
Why would say it’s racist when being jewish is a religion? Also just because they’re not particularly white doesn’t mean that White supremacy can be inspired or want to support ideologies like apartheid states. Especially the people they’re targeting happen to be a group of people white supremacists would deem as “unpure”?
Because there’s a bunch of tribes including the majority of modern Israeli jews who are native to the Middle East for centuries.
Arabs and Hebrewd are both Semitic (as in native to the area) and both groups look the same. There’s like half a dozen sub groups plus others that are welcome in Israel and are full citizens and aren’t jews.
It’s a sectarian conflict. Foreigners injecting racist whiteness into it is ignorant of the situation actually in the region.
Especially the people they’re targeting happen to be a group of people white supremacists would deem as “unpure”
They’re targeting Jews?
Like you see how fucking silly this whole diatribe is, right? You’ve got nothing to back your ethnostate claim up, nothing to back your apartheid state up, and Nazis do not typically care for Jews.
This conversation is just dumb man.
So, you’re just going to ignore the Israeli attempt at committing genocide against the Palestinians?
No I don’t think there are credible claims of genocide whatsoever.
If Israel was intent on genocide, they could easily accomplish that. They are most assuredly not outgunned.
If they wanted to displace Palestinians permanently, they could absolutely do that. No nearby nation would commit serious forces to stop them.
It is quite obvious that, though terrible civilian losses are occurring, Israel is trying hard to mitigate them. Civilian losses occur in urban fighting. Moving the population that they can to the south is part of minimization of those losses.
They have displaced Palestinians permanently, upto now anyway. The Zionists ran them decades ago, how has Israel expanded if not for displacing people.
You haven’t found evidence of a genocide…is the bombing of refugee camps in the city they are sieging not strong enough evidence for you? Do you need gas showers and a pile of shoes?
They have displaced Palestinians permanently, upto now anyway. The Zionists ran them decades ago, how has Israel expanded if not for displacing people
This is just flatly inaccurate.
None of the people pushing the aparteid ethnostate angle are from the area…the settler shit is bad but like a lot of Israelis agree they are bad and should go. Cops are Bastards.
Explain it’s a sectarian thing based as much on politics (who won a civil war our grandparents generation fought) at this point and they just don’t care.
Like there’s been very public attempts to remove the far right government members. No one remembers the entire country including the air force striking when Bibi tried to fuck with the judiciary prosecuting his crimes earlier this year. The president (its usually mostly ceremonial) is the leader of the Socialist Labor party.
Bibi is at historic low popularity, 8-9/10 Israelis (including the large Arab citizen Pop) want him gone.
Gaza is fucked now because the Palestinian nationalist movement went wild and militant after Yaser Arafat died. Dude was also massively corrupt and hurt his people for his own personal enrichment.
(also every time someone pops off about Zionism and the Ashkenazi tribe immigrating to the region in the 1800s I have to consider whether to tell them like 69% of jews in Israel literally aren’t European zionists under their own definition. Around 900k native to region for centuries jews moved to Israel shortly after it came into existence when they got expelled from the surrounding countries in a nationalistic fervor that spurred a ton of extremely bad shit.)
They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.
Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.
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Wild times.
We need sources please
Israel literally named a settlement in the Golan Heights after fffking Trump.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights
After Bibi had wine and cheese with him. Fukem both.
Thanks. I had no idea. That’s terrifying.
I know. I kept trying to give IL the benefit of the doubt until I saw THAT ffking shhht in the news. Our new Speaker of the House is a neonazi who wants to “defend” Israel while legislatively trying to murder everyone else who is not a ffking cis-white-Christian-male.
I CANNOT take that place seriously now.
This ain’t it, chief.
i can excuse apartheid and genocide but i draw the line at naming something after a politician
You don’t understand my point that “naming things after THIS particular bottom tier politician” is something that makes you not credible anymore?
Don’t ffk this up on yourself.
Deal with it. If you want to make out with Hamas ,do it without german citizenship.
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Peak performance.
Germany never underwent denazification
So its bad when Nazi’s kill people indiscriminately, but when Jews do it to Palestinians that’s totally fine?
They can be elected president in this country.
I guess that’s the USA, the default country?
I’m pretty sure you mean the Un-United Shithole of America a.k.a the united states of america
Please be aware that people besides you won’t he aware of the country you are talking about and me and the other person replying to you are only assuming you are talking about the usa unless you want to edit your comment and say what country you are talking about
