• DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca
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      The most charitable view:
      To show western governments that the population doesn’t just blindly side with the Israeli government. A major difference between the two sides who are committing heinous acts, is that one side is a government committing genocide, and the other is a military organization (not the government) which was made in response to being forcibly expelled from their land by that government.
      Neither side should be killing innocent civilians, but we should not be collectively taking Israel’s side, like is traditionally done.

      The least charitable view:
      Because people want to get away with yelling Nazi-shit in public.

    • SCB@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Mostly to vent out anti-Semitic frustration in a way that is politically viable

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        Don’t confuse criticism of the Israeli government with anti-semitism. Otherwise you’re just saying “Israel can do no wrong, even if they’re doing war crimes.”

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          Maybe if terrorists didn’t hide behind human shields, Israel would’ve been accused of far less war crimes. Grabbing a toddler after setting off a bomb and murdering a crowd is basically Hamas’ strategy.

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            Maybe if Israel hadn’t been doing everything they could to drive Palestinians from their land for decades they wouldn’t have helped grow these terrorist groups that are lashing out at them.

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                Tit for tat ever since… with Israel receiving plenty of international support and an Iron Curtain supplied by the US.

                It doesn’t matter if Mike and Steve have been going at each other since Elementary school. If Mike grows up to be Mike Tyson and Steve grows up to be an accountant, then Mike is the bigger asshole if he keeps coming around to punch Steve in the face, and screams “See? He deserves it! Both Sides!” if Steve gets lucky sucker punch in on occasion.

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              All I see from you is pro terrorist bullshit. Fuck Hamas and I hope Israel kills every Hamas sack of shit out there. Hamas at this point could do the right thing and surrender, and spare the civilians, but they’re too cowardly to do that.

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                All you see from me is Anti Israeli Government bullshit. When the Israeli government spends decades committing crimes against humanity the end result is not a surprise. When no one listens to the suffering of Palestinians what options are they left with?

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                  I call bullshit, on several fronts with what you said. Decades of crimes against humanity is unsubstantiated. What you call crimes against humanity is likely debatable at best and an outright lie at the worst. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and I agree with the sentiment that “Palestinians” are an invention from the last century. You have people who moved to the area under the Ottoman Empire, and the world decided back in 1947 that Israel shall again be a nation. When you have the despicable acts of the PLO and extremist organizations spring up from what appeared to be peaceful coexistence, this narrative about the light of Palestinians and the “freedom fighters” who cut infants’ heads off can go pound sand.

                  I don’t want the innocents harmed either, but I do believe Hamas must be exterminated. If that means flattening a building that they’re hiding in and using human shields, so be it. The people who support Hamas are making their bed, and we should not be surprised by the humanitarian crisis going on when the cowardly Hamas militants hide behind innocent families.

                  Exterminate Hamas, that’s my take on it. Don’t like it? Too fucking bad, it’s going to happen anyway and you can wring your lying hands all you want.

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                    “Palestinians” are an invention from the last century.

                    the world decided back in 1947 that Israel shall again be a nation.

                    So Israel is an invention from the last century?

                    If that means flattening a building that they’re hiding in and using human shields, so be it.

                    If there’s a hostage situation and someone on the sidelines is screaming “Shoot the hostages! As long as you kill the criminals!” That person is a fucking monster. (And possibly racist as fuck if those hostages are a minority.)

      • lennybird@lemmy.world
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        Well if that isn’t the most outlandish illogical leap I’ve seen in a while…

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          In London, some of the protesters chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, despite a controversy around the slogan’s meaning.

          From the article.

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            Nothing antisemitic about that. Wouldn’t matter what race, religion, ethnicity the apartheid occupiers were.