China’s foreign minister said Saturday that Israel has gone too far in responding to last week’s invasion by Hamas, China’s official news agency reported.
Speaking to Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Israel’s actions have extended beyond self-defense.
According to Xinhua, China has an interest in helping resolve the conflict and the underlying issues involving the Palestinian population.
He’s not wrong. But it’s worth remembering that when China faced a far smaller provocation from their own restive Muslims, in Xinjiang, they responded by locking up a large fraction of the population in vast reeducation camps…
Not saying that’s right, but at least they didn’t bomb the camps…
I think if they felt the need to they would have. China and Israel’s government both place about the same value on the lives of people who get in their way, China is just a lot more self conscious about its international image.
This is a stupid take. 70 years has passed since China’s last military attack on a nation. 70 years. But sure, let’s ignore history and view things from our fee fees.
China may be oppressive against those in its nation. But it’s proven from decades of peace to not do anything like what you are saying.
They attack sovereign waters all the time. They make threats to Taiwan nearly daily.
For what it’s worth, China and Taiwan circa 2015 had an implicit agreement that the strait of Taiwan was split along the median line into territorial waters: neither side would cross without following the rules of crossing sovereign airspace.
Then, the US ran FONOPS through the strait (declaring it as international waters), China is flying through international airspace, and people are complaining.
So who got killed?
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Love it, can’t find an answer so you turn to ad hominem. The last bastion of a loser.
Where in my comment did I talk about their willingness to attack other countries? I said they didn’t value the lives of people who get in their way, like the pro-democracy student protesters they massacred in 1989, or the Uyghurs they’ve been enslaving/brutalizing/killing in concentration camps more recently.
There’s no evidence of killing. The UN even visited and stated they did not believe China was engaged in mass killing. So no, nothing like what Israel is doing.
Plenty of circumstantial evidence of killing (e.g. missing people), and when there’s been documented imprisonment forced labor and forced sterilizations, the fact that they don’t say “… and then we kill them” in any written documents the UN can get their hands on and just rely on their guards to know what to do really doesn’t matter
Both countries want to exterminate people who challenge their aims, China’s just got a slightly more controlled environment to do it in
Right right, killing thousands is comparable to circumstantial evidence. Do you hear yourself?
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So the sino-indian war was in 62, but they’ve been salami slicing in indian aksai chin the past decade, and this is acknowledged by outside observers.
China isn’t just brutal to its own people.
So nothing in the past decades, like I said. This isn’t even remotely comparable to what Israel is doing.
They literally said China and India have been going at it in the past decade. Which they have. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2021_China–India_skirmishes
I wouldn’t call people pushing each other a violent attack. It became bad not because they killed each other but because they were pushing each other on the top of a mountain.
Seems like youre the one led by the nose by your fee fees
So please tell me what country has China violently attacked in the last few decades to:
I think if they felt the need to they would have.
Just once.
Country? The example was that china also willingly abuses and kills minority groups it has power over when convenient.
Do you need to be reminded of the many different minority groups china played “israeli genocide” with? Just because palestine is technically still a government doesnt change how israel, and the rest of the planet, treat them as a functional subdivision of israel.
Get your head on straight bud
Actually, the post above mentions those people were sent to camps and not killed. In fact, there’s still no evidence of any deaths, just conjecture. The UN even visited and stated that while they don’t believe there is killing happening that it still constitutes as human rights violations. So no, China hasn’t
Do you need to be reminded of the many different minority groups china played “israeli genocide” with?
Personally, I believe the UN over conspiracy theorists like yourself.
Re read the original post.
How high are you right meow?
It’s been 44 years since their war with Vietnam. It’s been 11 since they were involved in Mali as part of a multi-state force.
So decades and they defended a compound. Yeah?
Much more recently than the 70 years you claim though.
No it’s not. I said 70 years since they attacked. What you’re talking about is China’s slow retreat out of Vietnam. That would be like arguing that USA invaded Afghanistan last year.
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Ah ad hominem, as expected.
You act like i have any respect for Tankies or care for what you think.
You guys are even worse than us Americans, at least some of us fight back against the atrocities we commit.
You guys refuse to believe that your side has done horrible things too.
You’ll feel better when you admit that, then you won’t feel the need to defend every choice your leaders make.
You are the world’s biggest hypocrites, other than maybe the Israelis with their whole evacuation convoy bombing.
You and Israel would probably get along great, what with the unbridled hatred of minorities.
I fully admitted multiple times in this conversation alone that china has done bad things. So now I know you don’t know how to read.
Some people don’t deserve to be given a voice based on their political beliefs.
That’s both one of the stupidest and dangerous things I’ve seen someone say. In my opinion, you qualified yourself for your own comment.
Yeah particularly those like yourself that wants to silence people. Absolutely should get no say.
They’ve managed to be very belligerent in spite of that. They’ve flown incredibly close to US jets and veered away barely in time, and they do the same with all sorts of ships in the South China Sea – which they claim as their own to an extent that would be equivalent to the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico. They’ve destroyed fishing ships and left fishermen stranded too.
China is not a model of peace to follow. It is a model for nascent global powers however in how to exercise and test out influence for acts without impunity.
What do you consider a large fraction? Would 28.5% of a single ethnic group be considered a large fraction?
Oh, sorry, wrong country.
maybe the chinese can give them some tips, I heard they’re pretty experienced in handling minorities…
“you just build a giant factory around them and start exporting”
And some camps for them to concen…to focus and recreate.
Real talk, would you prefer people who are poor and free or rich and less free?
Sure, in Gaza’s case Israel is choosing between poor and free and poor and dead, but the question still stands.
wow, says by the nation who abuses Filipino fishermen, claiming they own the entire West Philippine Sea
Projection gaming. Classic China lmao
Their 9-dash line claim failed. So they have freshly-baked 10-dash line lol
More dashes, more chances of winning
Speaking to Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Israel’s actions have extended beyond self-defense.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
So many Palestinians dead…do you understand how much free labour you could’ve gotten out of them?
I’m very inclined to ignore West Taiwan’s position on matters of ethics and morality.
Pro-tip: If you’re pitching a Taiwanese company, saying “West Taiwan” is almost a guarantee of winning the business.
TSMC might blacklist you if you say it lol
don’t take business advice from anonymous people online (including me)
Genocidal China has problem with more genocide? Whut?
This is one of those things that is so set in people’s minds, I’d love to know what you actually imagine happening when you say it - like what you’re picturing.
I’ve been giving friends pop quizes about Xinjiang when they bring it up, so far not found a single person who knows anything about any single part of it.
It’s interesting because so many people claim to be deeply concerned about it but no one ever seems to have any real desire to learn about it, I’ve seen a million infographics this week about Palestines population and the history and everything but no one ever posts facts about the situation in China even though it’s mentioned endlessly in glib comments.
But have you given your friends any pop quizzes though?
“Friends”
At a guess, it may be because it’s not as easily accessible by the western media. If they can’t report on it directly, they won’t give it full attention apart from the occasional opinion piece or blog and that won’t make a headline or sell papers.
No money to make, no reporting to be done.
Lol wtf is this, the onion?
Here’s an idea? Let the Chinese government administer Gaza! They have experience reeducting Muslims right? Then all Gazaouis muslims will become Jewish, Christian, atheist, you name it! Possibilities are endless.
They’ll all be Chinese!
Gazaouis
😐
No need to spread misinformation. China has not sought to convert people to other religions.
True, they just try to stamp out any religious beliefs and non-conformity in populations they’ve invaded and subjugated.
Last I checked Uyghurs are still practicing Sunnis and Tibetans are still practicing Buddhists. In fact, Uyghurs still speak Uyghur and Tibetans still speak Tibetan!
I’m not going to ask how many Cherokee speak Tsalagi or how many Cherokee practice Christianity because it’ll make me sad.
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No, there’ll be plenty of Jews in a few days as well.
Holy shit.
^sometimes, ^we ^need ^dark ^humor ^to ^make ^it ^through.
Thank you for supporting the idea and sorting out the details! You are right, gazaoui buddhists gonna have it rough. Also sorry for making assumptions without insulting you, I’m new around here
So Palestine is now supported by russia, Syria, Iran, China, all the greatest and most fair countries in the world.
It’s quite an obvious geopolitical win for them. It’s not hard to notice that the “western” reactions to the Russian occupation of Ukraine is pretty inconsistent with the support of the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Obviously support for Ukraine is the right thing to do, but again, inconsistent policy is easy to critique.
You’re conflating multiple things. Most notably, you’re conflating criticizing Israel with praising Hamas.
Exceedingly rare W
At the “start” of this, I didn’t really have an opinion. But that’s mostly due to lack of knowledge and the complexity of the issue.
I was initially siding with Israel as they were hit first, but their response has made me rethink things.
I’m still really undecided and am unqualified to make an opinion anyway.
“As they were hit first.”
Whooboy. You have to go far, far, far back in history, buddy.
People were on TV news saying the Israelis are like Native Americans getting their land back 🤣🤣🤣
It’s OK not too have a side. Israel and Palestine have been going at it for so long and the history is so complex that there is literally blame on both sides.
The graphs here go to 2008 and the situation has been going on for decades before that
The fact that you consider yourself unqualified to make an opinion probably makes you more qualified to do so than 95% of the idiots out there whose opinions are already firmly established.
Do you feel the need to take a side
The only side I give a shit about are the civilians just trying to live their lives
The pressure is all over these comment sections. Not this one in particular.
Interesting thought, when you have countries sending aid to one side or the other, or protests pro one way or the other, makes you think you should have a side.
It’s really complicated. If you trace back why people did what they did, including motivations, you’ll end up centuries back. I stopped in the Russian revolutionary time period last time I tried.
Is it even safe to start from the Ottomans?
Goes even further than that I suspect, but I’m not sure. I would seriously not be surprised though if you could trace it to the Romans in Jerusalem.
The Romans created the diaspora in the first place. How relevant that is to the modern conflict is debatable. Zionists certainly use the ancient Jewish kingdoms as evidence of their legitimacy.
I think it does trace that far back then. The diaspora is likely a large contributing factor in why Jews were so often persecuted in Europe, which was what created the desire for a Jewish state in the first place. And I do think that is a fair desire and claim, but the way the British did it was completely wrong.
I was initially siding with Israel as they were hit first, but their response has made me rethink things.
To generalize this out to other wars and conflicts, even regular old arguments, there are almost always pre-existing conditions and tensions leading up to the first major attack. Even things like WWI, where the catalyst was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. But there is quite obviously more to the atmosphere, national ambitions, etc. etc. that make it so that the separatists wanted to assassinate him, and make it so that Austria-Hungary wanted to invade Serbia and used this as an excuse. A war would have happened anyway, no matter who attacked first.
“Before the Hamas incursion and subsequent Israeli military response, it was believed that Israel and Saudi Arabia, driven by a common animus toward Iran, were working toward a normalization of relations, a development that could have shifted the dynamic in the Middle East.”
Who wants the dynamic in the Middle East to remain unchanged?
Who wants the dynamic in the Middle East to remain unchanged?
People who don’t like Israel.
What is there’s to like, really?
Nobody
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China is suggesting Uyghur style genocide instead. I misspoke I meant “reducation”
