Honestly disgusting how the media overlooks this. No idea what these children have ever done. Irrespective of what side you support this is genocide and this should not be tolerated.
“noooo these children voted for Hamas they deserve every bit of suffering they get”
Fucking assholes.
These children can’t have voted for hamas. The last election in Palestine was in 2006.
Well I’m sure they would if we would let them not starve until the next one. Ben and his psychotic entourage, probably.
They will see all of this and serve as warriors in the next generation of hatred. Just like the other side too.
And I wonder how many of those who voted for them in 2006 are still alive…
Crazy how people acc think like this
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Israeli children die: “bomb all of Gaza, kill as many kids as needed until Hamas is over”
Palestinian children die: “it’s just war, mate, what can I say? War sucks :(”
Screw this crap.
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I’m sorry but from where I am looking, whenever a civilian is killed, it’s a tragedy.
And that includes Israel as much as Hamas.
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So Israel can win because it’s stronger. In a nutshell.
This was the top story on NPR’s up first podcast today. They didn’t exactly blame Isreal directly, but they also didnt defend Israel and suggest this is somehow justified. They stuck pretty close to here is what is happening on the ground, here’s voices of those affected, this is a humanitarian tragedy and will only get worse. They mentioned a woman in Gaza rationing milk for her baby due to the food shortage, that stuck with me. So I guess #notallmedia.
The coverage on the NYT The Daily podcast was spot on what I would expect from the outlet that cheared us into invading Iraq. Trash podcast, I don’t know why I’m still subscribed. Should have dumped it after they spent a whole episode making a martyr out of the praying football coach.
NPR’s coverage has been very good so far. They are trying their best to remain impartial in a difficult situation where there is a humanitarian crisis. I think it’s the right thing to do. The media doesn’t need to point fingers at Israel when they can just report the facts and people can see where the blame lies.
I’ll second this. Every time they mention the Israeli casualty toll, they mention the Palestinian right at the same time.
While interviewing someone about Israeli response, they took the time to raise the question about plans for Palestinian civilians (unfortunately the answer was “we must destroy Hamas”, clearly indicating the civilians dying is perfectly fine by him).
Washington Post and Voxx have had a really good article as well, as well as a podcast about it on there today I learned show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-attack-gaza-intelligence/
https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
Also, this is crazy:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israelis themselves in Israeli media: our own president propped up Hamas until we reached this here attack today
International media: Baaaa it’s Hamas’ fault! Do you condemn Hamas? I said, do you condemn Hamas?
Gaza has a population of 2+ million and HALF those are under 18? What? That’s a crazy statistic.
That’s what war and siege does. People lose children a lot so they have more children.
This is what it means to live in Gaza:
0–14 years: 44.1% (male 415,746/female 394,195)
15–24 years: 21.3% (male 197,797/female 194,112)
25–54 years: 28.5% (male 256,103/female 267,285)
55–64 years: 3.5% (male 33,413/female 30,592)’
65 years and over: 2.6% (male 24,863/female 22,607) (2018 est.)
Edit: source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Maybe I don’t know, don’t bring more people into the world if they live on a literal battlefield? I don’t even want to bring kids into america right now. I can’t imagine how selfish one would have to be to bring a child into a warzone where their life expectancy is half the norm and they will suffer the entire time.
This is just something all humans do during war. I would never want kids either but I won’t blame others for doing a completely human thing. Not having children would mean a slow extinction for them.
You live in the most sheltered country in the world and somehow have a very in depth perspective for what it’s like to live in a battlefield?
Yeah those damn Palestinians should just self-genocide because of the genocide happening to them! selfish, smh
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Are you trying to argue that a battlefield is a place to raise a child? 😂
Maybe the isrealis should stop making it a battlefield.
Agreed! Both sides should stop the bloodshed. What’s happening with this war is horrible.
It’s only a battlefield when Israel makes it into one, and Israel hasn’t invaded Gaza for something like 20 years.
You’re cringe
This is such an ignorant take and yet you felt compelled to share it as if it’s some obvious truth. I wish I could walk around with that kind of confidence.
You probably think they should just move too, right? Such a simple easy answer, I wonder why they can’t…
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They aren’t having more sex. You have 18 years to be a child, and then another ~60 to die. At low life expectancy, the chances of you being a child is very high.
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I can tell you’re one of the people who never fights back because it’s easier to surrender.
I don’t think it’s good or helpful to make conclusions about that person. It’s reasonable to not bring children into a bad economy… if you can afford to not have them and have lots more to fulfill you. It’s not reasonable, though, to go around judging people by whether or not they have had a child because of a situation that is totally out of control. Palestinians would easily lose the fight when outnumbered. No one is making “soldier babies” or anything like that – these are just children who deserve a good existence and not an open-air prison.
This person doesn’t want kids, kudos to them, I can’t wait for the day when the last human goes extinct but this is a totally different issue.
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So who will be the one to blame? A normal human being getting married and having kids VS a genocidal ethnostate that wants to ethnically cleanse the natives of the land?
Would it have been morally wrong for Jews during Nazi Germany to have kids? Maybe Anne Frank should have just not been born so we can prevent her suffering?!? Come on.
First of all, thank you Snek for having a reasonable and adult discussion. And thanks to whoever cleaned up this thread (my shit included, even if the wafflehouse bit was hilarious).
I’m not really looking at this as who to point a finger at. In terms of having kids, it’s a risk/reward analysis. This is just my opinion, and I’ve never implied it’s the only right answer. But me personally; if I was living somewhere under threat of being attacked, I would not feel comfortable bringing a child into that environment.
If someone brings a child into the world and someone else dropped a bomb on that child, would I say it’s the parents fault? No, of course not. Will that parent be devastated? Yes. Will that parent have put blood, money and love into something that’s how gone? Yes. Will that parent spend the rest of their life feeling guilty about what happened? Probably. Do I personally want to put myself into that position? Hell no!
But that’s me and my opinion. Like I said earlier, parenthood is hard as it is right now. Nevermind climate change…
Thanks for clarifying
But me personally; if I was living somewhere under threat of being attacked, I would not feel comfortable bringing a child into that environment.
Me too, I wouldn’t either (heck I’m not even having kids in normal circumstances)
Climate change is also another (quite good) reason to clean up the planet and empty the orphanages first…
Calm down man, at least on the second point. Having a kid is essentially a one-way ticket, let’s encourage people being sure they can be a quality parent.
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I’m guessing condoms aren’t readily available in Gaza.
Well yea, every area that suffers long wars suffers from that. In Niger 50% of the population is under 15. I saw so many kids looking for work it hurt my soul.
Poverty in the US is a solvable joke by comparison.
And those kids will grow up hateful and resentful of Israel, which will make it easy to mold them into the sort of people who commit the atrocities Hamas committed. Israel is creating their own future problem.
Yes. Even if Israel “eradicates” Hamas, the idea is still there, and with the trauma that these adults and children have gone through would probably take decades to heal, and even then many won’t heal at all and become extremists.
Israel is creating their own future problem.
Which monsters like Netanyahu love. More excuse for genocide and conquest.
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Because Germany didn’t then exist under decades of apartheid where they were denied basic services just due to the accident of their birth. Even East Germans had it far, far better than Gazans.
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Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.
Just FYI, Gazans are refugees who were forced to the Gaza strip by… ISRAEL! Woohoo.
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Are you actually claiming Israel has no culpability when it comes to the suffering of the people of Gaza?
Yes, and when you do that, no journalists will chase you to scream, “BUT DO YOU CONDEMN ISRAEL?”
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One would think not escalating situations might be better for their own safety…
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Israel didn’t exist there prior…
They took land (rather, were given land by western empires that wasn’t there’s to give) and kicked out and killed those who were there. Yeah, that’s didn’t create any resentment at all I’m sure and it’s all the attacks that happened in response that caused it.
Someone else can always be blamed. To act like Israel doesn’t share in the blame is probably one of the most ignorant statements I’ve heard.
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Adding onto the other poster’s comment, another reason is because the US will never pour unlimited money and resources into these people making sure they do.
Europe didn’t pull itself up by its own bootstraps after WWII.
Why can’t Palestinian kids have the same emotional realisation?
75 years of collective trauma
and more than decade living in the open air prison
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Who would have thought that cutting energy and infrastructure along with limiting food supplies would cause a humatrian crisis in a densely populated camp…
Just yesterday fake news said, Gaza residents deserve it and Israel has every right to do it.
We are so worried about AI destroying us, yet here we are bombing children on both sides. We are the problem.
If anything can distract Oprah from the land of Maui this may be it. /s?
