The only countries who think China is in a “war against Muslims”, are countries like the US, UK, and AUS, who’ve spent the last 50+ years bombing and invading Muslim-majority countries. Also, literally zero muslim majority countries oppose China’s Xinjiang policies:
Reddit holds an AMA for an “Uyghur Activist”, who turns out to be Rushan Abbas, a CIA agent who worked for Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies, and even worked at Guantanamo bay, the US muslim torture camp. 12
Despite claims of “erasing Uyghur culture”, they stated: “I did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression. The imams we met at the mosques and the students and teachers at the Xinjiang Islamic Institute told us that they enjoy freedom in practicing Islam and that the Chinese government extends support for maintenance of mosques all over Xinjiang. […]The most visible sign of protection of Uyghur culture by the government is the government-run bilingual kindergarten schools where children learn Putonghua as well as Uyghur language and culture from a very young age.”
I think the problem is not unique to Muslims, but all religious groups have suffered under Chinese communist rule. It’s no matter what other countries do or say because that is irrelevant.
I agree that the situation for Uyghurs may not be as bleak as some people portray it, but China’s policy towards them has a lot of problems, and I would say is unacceptable. As a Muslim I’d never willingly subject myself to CCP rule. Unfortunately, the fact that Xinjiang is a part of China is a reality they I don’t think can be changed. I sincerely hope things improve for them in the future, one way or another.
I realized I probably linked you too much to read through, on why Muslim-majority countries side with China and agree with its de-radicalization policies against wahhabist terrorism. At the very least you should read this thread on religious freedoms in China, as its one of the most religiously diverse nation on earth.
The terrorism label doesn’t really mean anything. Authoritarian states label all opposition as terrorism. In Tajikistan for example they used to have the Islamic Renaissance Party until 2015, which was the only political movement in the country. Their position was moderate and subordinate to the constitution, so they only campaigned for democracy and civil rights, but the authoritarian state one day outlawed the party on the very flimsy grounds “terrorism” and “extremism”. They think if you call anything that has to do with Islam extreme or terrorist the rest of the world will just accept it and be like, “Oh yeah, Muslims are like that.” It’s a very convenient ploy to stifle a population.
I would just reiterate that China’s policies in Xinjiang are often reprehensible. Not every single one of their policies are bad, and China is very good at spinning the situation with a combination of truths and lies to whitewash the situation. My position is that China’s involvement in Xinjiang is unfortunate and undesirable, but it’s also a fact that we have to live with.
The situation is somewhat complicated, but governments in Muslim countries generally tend to be bad, which entails a lot of things like hypocrisy, corruption, despotism, etc. Usually they are fine with authoritarian style rule, so they might view China as just doing what any of themselves would have done to their own minorities. I just don’t think the actions or reactions of other countries is a valid way of attempting to appraise China’s internal policies. Generally speaking, Muslim countries also can’t afford the danger of being on China’s bad side.
The only countries who think China is in a “war against Muslims”, are countries like the US, UK, and AUS, who’ve spent the last 50+ years bombing and invading Muslim-majority countries. Also, literally zero muslim majority countries oppose China’s Xinjiang policies:
NYTimes anti-china obssesion.
A New York Times “expose” of re-education centers in Xinjiang lied and mistranslated every claim.
China’s policies in the Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region lift 1.85 million people out of poverty from 2014-2017.
Thousands of Muslims from the Uyghur province make Hajj Pilgrimage yearly. 11k Chinese Muslims travel from Xinjiang on free chartered flights to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj, in 2019.
Egyptian media delegates provide a detailed insight of the situation in Xinjiang
Religious freedoms in China explained.
Reddit holds an AMA for an “Uyghur Activist”, who turns out to be Rushan Abbas, a CIA agent who worked for Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies, and even worked at Guantanamo bay, the US muslim torture camp. 1 2
RodericDay - A thread about the key sources for Uyghur Genocide (Especially Adrian Zenz).
Breaking down the BBC’s visit to XinJiang.
What’s going on with the Uyghurs / Xinjiang province?
XinJiang: Facts vs Fiction.
A Pakistani Diplomat given full access to “re-education camps” and this is what she found.
Despite claims of “erasing Uyghur culture”, they stated: “I did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression. The imams we met at the mosques and the students and teachers at the Xinjiang Islamic Institute told us that they enjoy freedom in practicing Islam and that the Chinese government extends support for maintenance of mosques all over Xinjiang. […]The most visible sign of protection of Uyghur culture by the government is the government-run bilingual kindergarten schools where children learn Putonghua as well as Uyghur language and culture from a very young age.”
I think the problem is not unique to Muslims, but all religious groups have suffered under Chinese communist rule. It’s no matter what other countries do or say because that is irrelevant.
I agree that the situation for Uyghurs may not be as bleak as some people portray it, but China’s policy towards them has a lot of problems, and I would say is unacceptable. As a Muslim I’d never willingly subject myself to CCP rule. Unfortunately, the fact that Xinjiang is a part of China is a reality they I don’t think can be changed. I sincerely hope things improve for them in the future, one way or another.
I realized I probably linked you too much to read through, on why Muslim-majority countries side with China and agree with its de-radicalization policies against wahhabist terrorism. At the very least you should read this thread on religious freedoms in China, as its one of the most religiously diverse nation on earth.
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The terrorism label doesn’t really mean anything. Authoritarian states label all opposition as terrorism. In Tajikistan for example they used to have the Islamic Renaissance Party until 2015, which was the only political movement in the country. Their position was moderate and subordinate to the constitution, so they only campaigned for democracy and civil rights, but the authoritarian state one day outlawed the party on the very flimsy grounds “terrorism” and “extremism”. They think if you call anything that has to do with Islam extreme or terrorist the rest of the world will just accept it and be like, “Oh yeah, Muslims are like that.” It’s a very convenient ploy to stifle a population.
I would just reiterate that China’s policies in Xinjiang are often reprehensible. Not every single one of their policies are bad, and China is very good at spinning the situation with a combination of truths and lies to whitewash the situation. My position is that China’s involvement in Xinjiang is unfortunate and undesirable, but it’s also a fact that we have to live with.
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@marmulak@lemmy.ml do you agree with that assessment of most Muslim-majority countries?
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The situation is somewhat complicated, but governments in Muslim countries generally tend to be bad, which entails a lot of things like hypocrisy, corruption, despotism, etc. Usually they are fine with authoritarian style rule, so they might view China as just doing what any of themselves would have done to their own minorities. I just don’t think the actions or reactions of other countries is a valid way of attempting to appraise China’s internal policies. Generally speaking, Muslim countries also can’t afford the danger of being on China’s bad side.