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    1 year ago

    Claiming Whataboutism is a logical fallacy first used by English colonizers, dont use it

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      Calling out whataboutism is perfectly acceptable when it is being used regardless of its origins.

      It is in no way a logical fallacy and in fact the use of whataboutism is itself a logical fallacy.

      The flaw in gorilladrum’s argument is that the hypothetical example demonstrates the flaws in that specific situation and does not address problems in socialism as a whole yet they suggest it dismisses the ideology completely.

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        People cry whataboutism when they dislike people throwing context that goes against their argument into a discussion.

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          The only people who feel threatned by others calling out fallacies are the ones who know they’re disingenuous but still act in bad faith anyway.

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            That’s literally whataboutism, I criticized people using the vocabulary of “whataboutism” and then you said “but whatabout people who are doing whataboutism!”

            To be clear, I dont believe whataboutism is a fallacy, but you do, so why are you doing it?

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              It’s funny liberals had to start calling it “Whataboutism” as the previous term made it clear they were racist.

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              No it isn’t. I am explaining why whataboutism is a fallacy itself. If you have a valid counterpoint to a claim there would be no need to engage with whataboutism.

              I am not engaging in whataboutism but based on your view that it isn’t fallacious Im not sure you will understand that. Not everyone is good at logical processing.

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                I was criticizing people claiming whataboutism, you were doing “but what about people doing whataboutism!” Which is whataboutism.

                Not everyone is good at logical processing.

                Hence why we are having this conversation.

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                    You’re literally advocating for the concept of a fallacy which is basically whining “no you can’t just provide context nooo that would defeat my point.” Which was first used to excuse British colonial brutality and later used to defend lynching.