Remembered Malala, the girl who fought for basic human rights for little girls so they could go to school? She still exists, the media just stopped talking about her once they found out she had “extreme” beliefs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    • electrodynamica@mander.xyz
      13·
      2 years ago

      Basically what I meant. Plant lifetimes, of the best designs are 100 years plus. And if you are amortizing costs, cutting it short 30-50 years (pessimistic, 5-10 years optimistic) later with a better solution is a “bad investment”, but we are in triage mode here, and cost benefit analysis should reflect that.

      Put more colloquially, building nuclear plants gets shit to shoe level, and buys us time to fix the whole mess. Even if in the end it will cost an arm and a leg.

      • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
        4·
        2 years ago

        Is it expensive to build? I just know there is stuff we are going to need lots of cheap energy for like desalination plants, maybe even futuristic recycling plants.

        • electrodynamica@mander.xyz
          4·
          2 years ago

          It is very expensive. Dasalinization plants that don’t use direct energy from the sun, are dumb and bad designs, meant to further grid dependence. You put salt water in the sun and it evaporates the water leaving the salt behind. All you have to do is capture the water vapor. No electricity required.

          • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
            2·
            2 years ago

            that sounds preferable to nuclear but you would need more space to do it right? although it would be cheaper/easier to implement. why don’t I see more people doing it? would be fun to buy a kit or something

            • electrodynamica@mander.xyz
              1·
              2 years ago

              I’m very curious where your idea that nuclear and desalination are connected came from?

              It does require more land if at first you are moving all of the saltwater to land. That too is energy intensive. It makes more sense to desalinate in the ocean then only transport pure water back.

              Individuals? I’m not sure I understand the context. There are probably kits, but I’d need to understand more about your circumstances.

              • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
                1·
                2 years ago

                Well I had the idea myself and I mostly kept it to myself. Then during the California recall election a twenty something year old guy was running and said he’d do that if he were elected. So I thought maybe it’s not a bad idea.

                Well how much water do you think you can get given a meter^2 of sun vaporization over the course of an hour.

                Then we can compare to nuclear pushing water through some type of high tech filter mesh or something.

                Edit: he had a submissive and breedible shirt

                • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  assume a nuclear plant produces a gigawatt. assume the sun emits 1kw per meter^2 assume the sun is only active half the time

                  you would need to build 2000 plots of 1kilometer^2 sun desalination to put equivalent energies to the water

                  I don’t know relative efficiencies but I assume not too far apart

                  Waif I think I’m doing the math wrong. Maybe you only need a 2 kilometer^2 plot…

                  I guess nuclear electricity won’t be as cheap as the sun either.