I found this podcast from this reddit-logo post:

I subbed today for a 7th and 8th grade teacher. I’m not exaggerating when I say at least 50% of the students were at a 2nd grade reading level. The students were to spend the class time filling out an “all about me” worksheet, what’s your name, favorite color, favorite food etc. I was asked 20 times today “what is this word?”. Movie. Excited. Trait. “How do I spell race car driver?”

I’ve only listened to one episode so far, but it’s really well produced, seems well-researched and very well put together.

From what I gather so far, the ways that the American public school system “teaches” kids how to read is not only completely wrong, but actually saddles them bad habits which fundamentally hinder their reading comprehension.

A huge swath of American adults are functionally illiterate, and I think I’m starting to understand why.

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      People have just accepted that American public education is a failure and the parents have to do the real teaching. And yet so many parents don’t even know there’s anything wrong until way too late. Even if the schools are passing kids despite not being able to read, an engaged parent should be able to notice it very early on as long they read with their kid at home. My mom read to me nearly every night until I could read on my own. She would read a page and then have me read a page after a while. Eventually, I was reading whole books to her and I loved reading so much that when I got in trouble one time she took my bookcase away, leaving me with a TV that sat unused, while I bawled my eyes out.

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        Even if the schools are passing kids despite not being able to read

        And schools should always pass kids. The body of literature, theory and experiments in that regard for teaching education in Europe is quite extensive. If your society is structured around passing grades then the way to built up on the ability of students isn’t to force them for years in the same rooms, but to change what they experience, keep up the social links and give specific support.

        Besides that even if a school isn’t able to give specific support it is better for kids to not be put in repeating classes.

        What you write is true though, having cultural attitudes at home that do sometimes center books are great. They ought to be somewhat supplemented even for kids that are praised as being smart with other things, that are beneficial for social and physical aspects. If your kid likes a certain series, try to enable the kid to visit a fan conference about it or alike.

        Just like in Le Guin’s Earth Sea, one of the most important lessons for the young magician’s apprentice wasn’t to control magic. It was to chill under trees and find calm as well as connection in nature.

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          A special ed teacher who had been working for decades and who knew many students who had been held back told me the same. Even as adults these students would tell him that things had been going okay until they had been held back. One administration hinted at doing the same to one of our kids because he didn’t speak English at an academic level, but we worked our asses off to bring him up to speed in a matter of months, and the same special ed teacher told us that parents don’t actually need to hold their kids back if they don’t want to (something the principal failed to mention). Soon enough our kid was reading, writing, and speaking at his grade level (which he’d already been doing in his mother tongue) and the principal acted like she had never even suggested that she wanted to hold him back. And shit like this could have ruined his life! School is already difficult enough without every figure of authority telling you you’re too much of a fuckup to advance with your friends to the next grade!

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          And schools should always pass kids.

          I’m absolutely not familiar with the literature you’re talking about here, but I have failed a lot of classes in my time, probably even a majority of them a couple years (7th and 8th grades) and I know that I would have been miserable (or more miserable I guess lol) if I’d been made to repeat things for that.

          I did actually once have my French teacher try and make me start over from the beginning with French the next year instead of advancing to the next level, but I ended up unexpectedly moving to Québec the following year instead where my French was good enough within the year to join in the regular French first language classes so lmao

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        she took my bookcase away, leaving me with a TV that sat unused

        My intuition suggests that this contravenes the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 26.

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      Parents are essential for student growth and education but that doesn’t make them responsible for all of it. The entire point of school is to take on the the major burden of teaching kids with expertise and efficiency and providing a place for children to be with other children.

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      While parents aren’t the people solely responsible for their childrens education, it is striking to me how things have changed recently.

      The kids coming in are less well-equpped than they used to be. Not potty trained, can’t tie their shoes, can’t tell the time. Like it used to be a few kids that had an issue or two, but now it’s a bunch with a lot of issues.
      Things have gotten worse recently. Parents aren’t as able to help their children as they used to be. This does increase the work load for teachers.

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        That’s why I personally don’t want to have kids. Considering the state of labor in the west, how are parents supposed to be able to spend time with their kids? Granted when I was growing up, my mom always stayed at home because she could. She didn’t have to work because my dad made more than enough to provide for a family on a single income (pre-2008 recession).

        Stay at home moms have to be hella rare in this age of rampant exploitation, so I have no idea how kids are being raised. Add on the fact that there’s no guaranteed parental leave in amerikkka and I’m at a complete loss