Negotiate surrender to a serial invader? I agree that Ukrainians are in poor position but allowing Russia to keep taking more land isn’t healthy for world stability.
Russia or China having to only look after itself, it’s population, it’s secessionist regions was much better for the colllective west. The current goal is to have them do that again. Even if it means manufacturing an economic crisis the west will suffer from too, it’s still better that getting our collective ass kicked out of african or southeast asian countries. And if someone must get through suffering, it might as well be Ukrainians rather than germans or poles, so just enough material to have a stable front.
Not my thought but pretty sure it’s the one coming up in confidential assessments, and I can’t totally fault them if you take out the humanity from considerations.
I mean at this point it doesn’t look like Russia wants to give anything back, but who knows. They need to start with a ceasefire and maybe over time they can figure out the rest.
They should have taken the deal from April last year, where Russia had reportedly agreed to go back to the pre-Feb-22 borders. And before that, they should have implemented Minsk actually. The most important things Russia wanted was for Ukraine to be neutral, and to stop attacking the Donbas.
Ukraine’s negotiating position just keeps getting worse.
Negotiate surrender to a serial invader? I agree that Ukrainians are in poor position but allowing Russia to keep taking more land isn’t healthy for world stability.
Russia or China having to only look after itself, it’s population, it’s secessionist regions was much better for the colllective west. The current goal is to have them do that again. Even if it means manufacturing an economic crisis the west will suffer from too, it’s still better that getting our collective ass kicked out of african or southeast asian countries. And if someone must get through suffering, it might as well be Ukrainians rather than germans or poles, so just enough material to have a stable front.
Not my thought but pretty sure it’s the one coming up in confidential assessments, and I can’t totally fault them if you take out the humanity from considerations.
A negotiated settlement is not surrender. This war is not good for world stability clearly, if it stopped that would be good, no?
You’re arguing from a position of “this should not be and therefore cannot be”. But it clearly can. You’re in denial.
What does settlement look like? Ukraine to surrender it’s occupied land? I’m actually curious what you have in mind.
It starts with all ruzzians back in ruzzia out of occupied Ukraine…then putin’s balls deep fried on a platter and putin has to eat them.
I mean at this point it doesn’t look like Russia wants to give anything back, but who knows. They need to start with a ceasefire and maybe over time they can figure out the rest.
They should have taken the deal from April last year, where Russia had reportedly agreed to go back to the pre-Feb-22 borders. And before that, they should have implemented Minsk actually. The most important things Russia wanted was for Ukraine to be neutral, and to stop attacking the Donbas.
Ukraine’s negotiating position just keeps getting worse.