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All right. By “proletarian history”, do you mean a necessarily distorted form (downplaying the genocide of indigenous people, etc.)?
What do you think proletarian means? Read People’s history of the United States or counter-revolution of 1776. The latter being written by a renowned black scholar.
Why would we downplay it when our point is to show how evil the bourgeoisie is? I don’t believe the goal should be to downplay. Nor should it be to reinforce an association between the subject and the slaver or the colonizer. The goal is to present a history of class struggle and to associate the working class with that history.
Proletarian History is an attempted to present history from the perspective of the proletariat. The purpose is to break through the national myth and expose the history of class struggle and generational injury.
If your asking me what somebody else thinks on the issue I don’t know. As I said I don’t follow them close enough to know everything they say.
I’m aware of what the word means. You wrote that patriotic socialism is “just socialism rebranded to emphasize proletarian history”, but you also mentioned people who seem to be considered PatSocs (Hinckle and Haz) yet promote a distorted version of history (glorifying the past of the US), which would contradict the definition – however, re-reading your previous comment, I suppose you meant that you don’t actually consider these two PatSocs.
I personally just call myself a socialist or ML if people need more information. I wouldn’t add anything to it.
I don’t know how legitimate the movement is. I’m generally suspicious of qualifiers of any sort. Think democratic socialist or Anarcho Socialist. The one word in front of Socialist is there to negate Socialism. It’s Socialism but not really.
For that prejudice I’m suspecious of anyone calling themselves patsoc. That and it’s a little too close to national socialist.
Like I said I’m just a socialist. I’m not anything else. My point wasn’t that it was one thing or the other, but that it might be this or it might be that. It could be benign or it could be senister. Both camps exist. I think it better to just be socialist.
Addendum:
I think some people just like to wear different hats. They can never just be socialist. They have to be socialist plus their hat. I’m sure a not insignificant amount of patsoc’s just want to try on a new name. How many of them are in their early twenties or younger? They don’t know anything yet.
Yeah, that makes sense.