Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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    It’s not most churches. You don’t think Protestant churches, Evangelical churches, synagogues, etc have the same scale problem?

    Gossip is a worse plague than Covid

    Obviously he’s talking about hate and discrimination.

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      It’s not most churches. You don’t think Protestant churches, Evangelical churches, synagogues, etc have the same scale problem?

      A lot of those sects have less or nearly no central organizing. The Catholic Church particularly has a history of leveraging its central organizing to reassign abusers elsewhere and cover up their crimes.

      Obviously he’s talking about hate and discrimination.

      That’s a joke. Obviously he says those things pretty often, but he was being a lot more coy with the statement I’m talking about.

      Francis’s comments came as he elaborated on a gospel passage about the need to correct others privately when they do something wrong. The Catholic hierarchy has long relied on this “fraternal correction” among priests and bishops to correct them when they err without airing problems in public.

      Survivors of sexual abuse have said this form of private reprimand has allowed abuse to fester in the church and let both predator priests and superiors who covered up for them escape punishment.

      “Just trust the system, no need to bring in outsiders or warn other potential victims”

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        You want me to renounce my religion because some churches are abusive? Just admit you’re Christianophobic

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          Christianophobic

          lmao relax, I’m not throwing anyone to lions. Even if I could, I’d pick a better target, so please climb down from that cross that you’re waiting to be nailed to. I have met many Christian comrades and think the matter of liberation theology is a very interesting one.

          You want me to renounce my religion

          What you do with the information I raise is your own choice, I don’t give a shit, though I really think you shouldn’t act as such an apologist for the Vatican, whether you see it as divine or not. I suppose though that if you do believe that Francis is the official spokesman for God, you are forced to choose between interpreting him as speaking about something else (and applying what he says in a deliberately narrowed frame) or else that he is seeking to prioritize the reputation of the Church over bringing abusers to justice. If your God protects pedophiles for the sake of the Vatican’s reputation, it is what it is, but that’s not up to me to interpret.

          some churches are abusive

          You are missing the “highly centralized” part of what I mean. It’s not like I don’t know about abuse cases in other churches, temples, etc., but most of those entities could get by only on being highly insular, whereas Catholic churches that are integrated into this central hierarchy benefit from having a huge number of potential conspirators elsewhere (see the Boston case as an example of this dynamic). In general, I think reducing insularity is a good enough answer, but for a systemic problem in such a highly-developed organization, the answer cannot be so simple or, frankly, gentle.

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          This is bait. There is no way this isn’t bait. che-smile

          But let’s pretend this isn’t bait. Read more about ``Liberation theology". Not the watered down liberal interpretation of it, but their theoretical marxist and anti-colonialist ideological corpus. Where they saw the "Great Satan ‘’ in capitalism, their interpretation of reality through dialectic-materialism, their support for anti-colonialist movements and socialist revolutions.

          They helped in Nicaragua, they opposed reactionary archbishops, they joined the guerrillas in the revolutionary process, they understood that Marxism wasn’t the boogeyman the Department of State and The Vatican tried sold them.

          Of course they were shunned by the Vatican and persecuted and killed during the 60-70-80 in Latin America (DSN and Operation Cóndor for more).

          But hey, they knew who the real enemy was. And China (just like Cuba or Nicaragua) isn’t the real enemy. Is an ally. A way to a better world.

          Source: Michael Lowy - “El cristianismo liberacionista en Latinoamérica” en "Guerra de dioses. Religión y política en América Latina”,1999.