• JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Progressives and MAGA both love Luigi Magione. Every shitty thing Trump does is another inch added to the smoke screen that the billionaires are hiding behind.

    We take the fight to the individual billionaires, we’re gonna have unity across the entire political spectrum in a second.

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    6 hours ago

    revolutions take time. people are already out there building it.

  • zeca@lemmy.eco.br
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    15 hours ago

    we wont get any good revolution by just throwing stuff around. planning and organization are the most important aspects of a revolution

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    Nah, we’re just in a weird echo chamber.

    So is MAGA. Most people, I think, do have strong opinions on things just thanks to social media brain rot but what they don’t have is an actual plan, organization, or the actual fire you need to fight a revolution.

    The Gravy Seals were just a typical example of how well your average revolutionary is really prepared.

    • fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 day ago

      Very few people here seem to understand how high the bar is to get a violent revolution going.

      Your average American upon believing that the revolution has started will shake their heads and maybe have casual conversations with their friends about that crazy revolution that got started while they drink beer at their local bar or bingo hall or whatever, and leave early cuz they gotta get up for work tomorrow.

      No revolution is happening without the government making some serious disruptions to those people’s way of life, and even then most of them will just blame immigrants like they’re told.

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        5 hours ago

        I personally think it’s only a matter of time. Trump is terrible at the type of finesse needed to properly ‘boil the frog.’

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    It has.

    The problem is that the resistance hasn’t gotten rolling yet.

    What? You don’t think the takeover of the US government by fascists isn’t a revolution? It is. It’s joust that the bloodshed is going to come after they solidify power instead of bale before.

    • grue@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      You say “yet” as if there’s any indication it will ever start.

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        20 hours ago

        Well, let’s play pretend for a second.

        Imagine, if you will, a country that used to have good history basics. A country well armed, and with direct experience facing fascism.

        Imagine that, despite the best attempts at killing that education system, that are still people that remember the price of fascism, if not directly, through the memories out those that did experience it directly.

        Imagine that not all of those people are complacent.

        Imagine that out of those aware, watching, and willing to act, there are some who have had the sense to recognize the possibilities.

        Imagine that those people have been quiet publicly because they know they would have sounded paranoid. Imagine that, quietly and carefully, they’ve been stocking ammo, learning useful skills and hoping that it’s all wasted time and effort.

        Now, imagine that the pollen problem with forming a resistance is that you don’t know who you can trust. Even in times of apparent peace, governmental agencies tend to keep a close eye on people practicing the kind of skills needed to resist, or possibly overthrow a fascist government.

        You have to be very, very careful in working with others. To the point of essentially having no way to communicate outside of carefully vetted groups of like minded individuals.

        Imagine that situation, and those people seeing fascism taking over. They’d be ready, but without a plan, without coordination, concerted effort is difficult. This isn’t a hypothetical that allows for rapid escalations, especially in a world where false flag events happen. This imaginary situation would take a great deal of careful outreach to establish lines of communication between groups. You can imagine that those efforts would take vetting at each step because in the age of fascism, you will be facing an enemy that’s capable of completely faking any evidence they want, throwing a label on you that allows you to be held without access to attorneys or the rule of real law.

        I suppose you can imagine that in that situation, you aren’t going to see many indications of action. You shouldn’t see any indications because if these hypothetical individuals and groups aren’t plain stupid, they know that showing indications is capture at best, death at worse, and the compromise of any hope of resistance at worst.

        In that situation, maybe the only thing anyone can do is get armed, get trained, and be ready.

        Imagine if someone waiting for whatever it is they need to be ready for can’t be armed, or can’t train. Then their goal should be to stock up supplies. Make arrangements to be able to host unexpected guests with a great deal of privacy. Maybe just take some first aid courses and have those supplies on hand.

        Maybe those indications never come, in this hypothetical situation. Maybe those groups aren’t enough, maybe they can’t or don’t make contact. Maybe it never comes to be. I mean, that’s what is most likely, that nobody will be willing to take enough risk to do more than huddle up and hope nothing bad happens.

        What wouldn’t make sense is for them to be out in the open giving indications they exist.

        Maybe they don’t exist. Maybe the probability of all those factors coming together is so low as to be impossible. That’s certainly a possible reason for no indications as well. After all, we’re just a bunch of assholes running our mouths on a public forum, having a little fun with thought experiments.

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    Maybe on the keyboards. But as much as everyone is talking about sending CEOs to the guillotines, nobody is actually doing it. It’s just angry posting and venting on social media in between regular dull life moments.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    Grab your rifle and run out into the street… If you’re the only one in the street with a rifle, go back inside. The revolution hasn’t started yet.

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    1 day ago

    Recommenting from another post, about the news of using Guantanamo for immigrant detainees:

    I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.

    Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:

    America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/

  • Kitathalla@lemy.lol
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    What are they going to do, run out and attack a street pole? [Suburbia]

    What are they going to do, run out and get kicked by a cow, then said cow has some lovely pooping moments on their stunned form? [Ruralia]

    What are they going to do, run out and jump on a taxi, or their neighbor walking home? [Urbania]

    I doubt that most people would run out and start the revolution. Most people won’t have plans or be researching targets, which would lower their threshold for starting a revolution, because it’s easier to do something if you know how you’re going to do it. Anyone who has plans or targets isn’t going to be fooled by you saying a revolution has started. Most people are juuuust comfortable enough to not want to go out to the street and start randomly fighting.

    • stardust@lemmy.ca
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      I think most people would be more likely to leave if things get bad enough. Question is if they can recognize the signs before the point of no return where escape routes are closed off.

    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP
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      It’s true. Not one of us have considered who would be a valid target; which people should mobilize; what strong holds should be taken first; what supply lines would be invaluable. That’s crazy.