Most people do not read the article link that’s posted. So I put an AI summary of the link as a comment, but as a spoiler so if you don’t want to engage with it you don’t have to and also the full article so people can more accessibly read the article. Also as a spoiler so it doesn’t take up a full page of a comment. It got removed by a mod as AI slop.

I could use AI on a headline and you would never know the difference. I could just say it’s my own summary also probably wouldn’t know the difference. Punishing people for being transparent about using LLMs who are not forcing the reader to engage with them is a net positive and a good practice to teach. The opposite is people still use them and just pretend they aren’t.

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    This I don’t want AI slop on this forum at all and oppose the normalization of it, especially under flimsy pretenses such as this.

    Exactly why it’s under a spoiler. So you don’t have to engage with it at all.

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          this is just the argument libertarians use for why you can’t ever regulate anything? this is not a free-speech radical forum. we’re not making market solutions for content here. in the same vein in which we both have an automatic slur filter, remove blatant racism, and attempt to weed out subtle racism, the solution isn’t normalizing the open racism–the solution is stamping it out with an iron fist whenever it’s caught. yes–things slip through the cracks, it’s imperfect–but it’s infinitely better than Twitter despite its imperfections, and it wards away the people who are incentivized by its normalization. I would personally like this site to strive to be a space free from this slop. There are numerous ethical, labor, environmental and health issues with its normalization and usage, and I’d like to be in a space carved away from indulgence in it in an open and unabashed manner. I feel uncomfortable with the encouragement of usage or reliance on it in any capacity or degree of separation, especially systematically. Again:

          just write the summary yourself. I assume you’ve read the article. It can be a paragraph. let’s say you don’t want to. we can access the text. we can access these chatbots. if we’re so inclined, we can toss the article at the chatbots on our own time.

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              hey even though I’ve emphasized it again, you still haven’t responded to my last point. i have to ask:

              1. why can’t you write the summaries yourself, it’s a minute at most if you’re reading the article before you post it
              2. why can’t you copy the byline if you refuse to put in the minute of work to summarize the article you’ve read
              3. even assuming both are impossible, not happening, why do you assume that the demographic of “people who want AI summaries of articles in their social media posts” do not know where and how to access the chatbots that can summarize them themselves. does it have to be in the post itself?
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                In this instance one could. I was using my example as an example not as one scenario to pick apart.

                The point is that some people hate AI and don’t want to see it. Other people are going to use it. Asking people to put barriers like we do with content warnings seemed like a good compromise, but I guess most of you see LLMs on the same level as outward bigotry, which is so mind boggling to me I don’t really care to engage in the nonsense.

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                  >springboards with a real example i should be able to do this rule-breaking thing because i’m honest about it and it’s for good reasons
                  >okay, here’s what you could do in this real example to not do that and still fulfill those good reasons
                  >here’s how you can ignore how i’m doing that
                  >no, you shouldn’t be doing that, we’re not going to allow it and we’ll keep enforcing it
                  >if you don’t allow it, everyone else is going to do it, secretly, so allow it if we’re open about it
                  >here is a real example of something we don’t allow and how we enforce it and that strategy seems to work better
                  >why are you comparing my thing to that really bad thing
                  >hey, you still haven’t engaged with my first point, here’s how not to do that, can you do that
                  >actually this is a broader point for hypothetical situations on principle (validating llm usage [cool, good, fine])

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                    Except the main point was referenced in the original post.

                    Punishing people for being transparent about using LLMs who are not forcing the reader to engage with them is a net positive and a good practice to teach. The opposite is people still use them and just pretend they aren’t.

                    I thought this is the area of the site we discuss rules. Guess it was just a space to point at the rule and tell me what I should be doing. And then use ad hominem to make yourself feel more right about the rules. Notes taken.

                    here is a real example of something we don’t allow and how we enforce it and that strategy seems to work better

                    Hahahaha that’s so funny. Here’s this thing that is outward bigotry vs a thing some of don’t like. Yeah I wonder if there’s a difference. there’s other things certain people don’t like but yet you only put a content warning around those things it’s almost like it matters what the thing is for it to get a content warning vs removed by mod.

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          1. Nobody’s going to read the summary, human or AI, because nobody reads in this website. At best, people glance at the headline.

          2. Since nobody reads anyways, saying it’s done by AI just normalizes AI for no gain whatsoever.

          The real solution is to not bother writing a summary, and if you want to write a summary that nobody will read, at least do it without AI for the sake of not normalizing AI.

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              You are just wasting your time. The only person who thinks it’s a good idea is you. Nobody else here thinks it’s a good idea. At this point, your options are to either revisit using AI to write summaries or do it anyways but not say so.

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                  By “here,” I mean this entire post that only you the OP think is a good idea. Or is there any comment that I missed?

                  People who think using AI for article summaries is good:
                  You

                  People who think using AI for article summaries is trash:
                  WhyEssEff
                  sgtlion (sgtlion only said AI is good for coding and debugging and said that AI is 90% slop)
                  DoiDoi
                  MiraculousMM
                  RotundLadSloopUnion
                  Leon_Grotsky
                  imogen_underscore
                  Infamousblt
                  blunder
                  Me

                  People who are asking clarifying questions:
                  glans

                  People who are shitposting:
                  Lemmygradwontallowme

                  Do you dispute with how I’m characterizing their opinion on using AI for article summaries?