Hahahahaha
“The Chinese came, and they stole all our gubbins!”
“We must tell the media! they will help us!”
OpenAI… probably.
Look at its widdle toes! 🥹
Those are clearly fiddle toes, in this case.
That’s lovely.
Well I always thought I knew what the smallest violin looks like!
Would you download a LLM?
Would you hug a face?
Yes, but I don’t have Nvidia hardware to run them
I would. I gave llamafile a try, and while it’s good, they have an issue with parsing responses that have {{ and }} in them, so it’s kind of useless for Laravel development unfortunately lol
There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of OpenAI’s models […]
I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.
LMFAOOO 😂😂
Gonna cry, technofeudalist lord?
It sounds like they just followed the precedent set by American companies. Maybe don’t steal data and your data won’t get stolen?
Does the OpenAI TOS even cover no-take-backsies ?
Finders keepers giveth, finders keepers taketh away
Stealing for me, not for thee or Li
Good, I hope this is how the AI industry dies.
How would this cause it to die?
If something ceases to be profitable, it gets no attention from corporations.
Even something as simple as Deepseek replacing subscription services would tank these corporations who are banking on those fees.
This does the opposite of that. AI was already unprofitable; Deepseek’s massive efficiency improvement ought to improve profitability
Yes and no. American companies have been following OpenAI’s strategy, which is simply scaling up as quickly as possible. From massive data centers swallowing our drinking water for coolant to coal and natural gas power plants to keep it running, it’s been all about pouring as much money and resources as possible in order to scale up to improve their models.
What DeepSeek has done is prove that that’s the wrong way to go about it, and now suddenly, all these companies that have been a massive money sink without any clear path to profitability already have to completely pivot their strategy. Most will probably die before they can. Investors are already selling off their stock.
So AI will become closer to actually being practical/profitable, but I imagine most of the companies who reach that goal won’t be the companies that exist today, and the AI bubble itself will probably collapse from this pivot, if we’re lucky.
Since DeepSeek is also open source, we might even see free competitors that can be run locally pop up that can go toe to toe with the likes of ChatGPT, which would be a real stake through the heart for these massive companies.
I wouldn’t consider DeepSeek open source. A few weeks ago when it would discuss this subject freely with me (it doesn’t anymore), it described keeping some of the most important parts private but the rest being open source. It’s not really open source if it’s only partial because you can’t reproduce it yourself in the same way.
Someone suggested the term ‘open weight’ might be a more honest term. “Open source” has really caught on though.
Deepseek’s massive efficiency improvement ought to improve profitability
Depends on if you’re the AI provider, or the user.
For institutions that had to pay massive fees to use cloud-based AI services, now they might be able to pull it off in house or with far less costs involved. It will save money.
For those selling AI, it’ll get very competitive, and they can’t charge hundreds or thousands of dollars anymore. It will be less profitable or not at all.
AI was already unprofitable
And the silver lining was that all those American companies wasted hundreds of millions, if not, billions on developing the tech. Good for them for wasting all that money.
And good for China for making Deepseek open source as an added “fuck you” to AI capitalists.
For those selling AI, it’ll get very competitive, and they can’t charge hundreds or thousands of dollars anymore. It will be less profitable or not at all.
It is already not at all profitable. Competition will drive prices down, but probably not by as much as the efficiency increase. AI companies could go from having high prices and even higher costs to having low prices and even lower costs. Or they could go under, and be replaced by the competition.
It would kill off American ai industry because it’s a pyramid scheme of bullshit and money laundering
They think gpt is ai…lol
Is there evidence that DeepSeek is an OpenAI distillate other than OpenAI and Co’s protestations?
It’s literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233
But the short version is OpenAI doesn’t even offer access to the data you need for a “distillation,” as the term is used in the LLM community.
Of course there’s some OpenAI data in the base model, but that’s partially because it’s splattered all over the internet now.
Thank you 🙏
Not distillate, they just trained on the outputs of openai
“Furious”
Somehow I don’t think that word applies to companies
Tell that to nintendo, whenever someone does something legal.
Hey, companies are people too, as has been proven in a court of law
I’ll believe it when Texas executes one
*an innocent one