military members should be bullied. when one walks into your place of business and asks for a military discount say count dis dick

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    Btw the socialists during the chinese civil war were more forgiving towards soldiers than drug dealers. Can not really have an revolution on twitter takes alone.

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      Think about the context: Opium was a tool of imperialist subjugation of China. Being a drug dealer was being part of that imperialism. America isn’t being imperially subjugated by means of drugs(unless you count the CIA crack thing)

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        Didn’t the black panthers (and the IRA) have harsh policies towards drugs? The “cia crack thing” is exactly the same strategy as the British opium trade

        “And there, always there and ever willing, for a price of course, to meet the addict’s demand for dope is the cop-man, the dealer, purveyor of poison, distributor of death, merciless, murdering scum, of the planet, vile capitalists, salesmen of death on the installment plan, the dope pusher, the plague-man.”

        “We are the only ones capable of eradicating the plague from our communities. It will not be an easy task. It will require tremendous effort. It will have to be a revolutionary program, a people’s program. The Black Panther Party is presently in the process of formulating a program to combat the plague. It will be controlled totally by the people. We, the people, must stamp out the plague, and we will. Dope is a form of genocide in which the victim pays to be killed.”

        I could be wrong but this seems pretty clear

        https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1970/dope.htm

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          You’re both right.

          Drug-dealing is a crime against the working class and the Chinese socialists along with the Black Panthers were so negatively impacted that they had no tolerance for it in their revolutionary praxis.

          That doesn’t mean that a petty dealer deserves the same ire as US military members. If that were the case, every convenience store clerk is also an agent of reaction and death. Maybe you were specifically talking about opium? Even still, the other poster was also being bombastic rather than writing a thesis.

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            I’m a little confused by this response, I never said a drug dealer deserves the same ire as the foot soldiers of imperialism, just that they can serve the same purpose to the imperialists in the domestic sphere. Not sure what the convience store clerk example has to do with this and I wasn’t specifically talking about opium, crack is an upper but served the same purpose as heroin or opium

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                You don’t think there’s a distinction between alcohol’s penetration into all American communities and the targeted attacks against the black community by planted narcotics?

                Also could you address the rest of my comment? Thx

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                  I don’t know what the current disagreement is, especially given that my comment centrally agreed with both you and the other commenter. I just pointed out that you were talking past each other in an unproductive manner.

                  You don’t think there’s a distinction between alcohol’s penetration into all American communities and the targeted attacks against the black community by planted narcotics?

                  As you claim, it is just a difference of scope. The Quote which constitutes most of your comment, at least without further context, doesn’t seem to be stressing the discriminatory drug sales but rather the pernicious nature of drug sales.

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        The American government literally floods its own subaltern communities with drugs, it was part of the strategy to destroy black marxism and it is still used to this day. The comparison to Opium is actually quite adapt.

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      In the context of China, the drug dealers were traitors who collaborated with imperialists (where did they get the opium from) while the soldiers (presumably you meant soldiers in the Nationalist army) were literally kidnapped from their villages and forced at gunpoint to put on a Nationalist uniform. Not remotely comparable.

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            The twitter take is that we do not need ex-soldiers and that drug dealers deserve more “grace”. And I brought up the example of chinese socialists as an example to draw lessons from. People took issue because somehow the Brits flooding chinese markets with addictive substances to further their imperial ambitions is somehow alien to Americans flooding their own internal markets to secure their imperial ambitions.

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              People took issue because somehow the Brits flooding chinese markets with addictive substances to further their imperial ambitions is somehow alien to Americans flooding their own internal markets to secure their imperial ambitions.

              I mean…yeah? yeah it is?

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                  These two points do not contradict each other at all. Imperalism turned inwards is just very different from imperalism turned outwards.

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                    How so? What’s the difference between the US importing crack and heroin to mollify revolutionary elements within society and Britain exporting opium to make the Chinese more vulnerable to exploitation?

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      Are the soldiers in the Chinese civil war comparable to the American army today? Totally agree on the drugs issue, it feels more like accepting Japanese defectors than Chinese nationalists