that reason is colonialism. the thought is that Israel helps us control the oil and intelligence in West Asia. the obvious problem: they don’t, actually, because our support of them makes dealing with oil producing countries harder, not easier, and the intelligence they provide us is incredibly faulty on account of being a fascist dictatorship. so that explains the support they get from liberal rubes, but what about the support they get from hardline conservatives? well hardline conservatives like fascism as a system of government so they like israel. that’s basically it. oh sure, some of them genuinely think there needs to be a homeland for the jews (nevermind most of our ancestral homelands are in western Ukraine, but these jackasses don’t know enough about us to know Ukraine has been consistently a better ally of the jewish people than israel). and some think all jews must return to israel in order for the events of revelations to unfold (never mind that was John the revealer writing about exactly what he was seeing in the year 90 happen to and against the jews and early christians, and the weird language was so he could get around roman censors). for the most part, it’s all as simple as “fascists like dealing with fascists because they understand eachother”
How is Israel a dictatorship? They have a multiparty democracy that regularly changes who is in control.
They are are a parliamentary democratic state that has a system of apartheid which is not at odds with liberal democracy as other liberal democracies have had apartheid states eg the USA until 1964-ish.
Can’t really have a democracy and an Apartheid. None of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation have any voice. Any opposition by Arab Israelis (Palestinians who survived the Nakba) are violently cracked down on
You can have a flawed or failing democracy and have one. Those that can vote still have a choice which is why it is not an autocracy like China or Saudi Arabia currently are.
Yes and both are authoritarian. KSA is a monarchy whose legitimacy comes through Allah. China is an authoritarian republic. Republics derive their legitimacy from the masses rather than from a god or a familial line. Republics aren’t inherently democratic.
If you are going to reply that China isn’t authoritarian pleade explain why the people cannot choose to shift the state from Maoism should they want to.
Still a far cry from the human rights abuses of the Absolute Monarchy of Saudi Arabia and certainly the Apartheid State of Israel, which has always been a fascist nation.
Israel has free and fair elections. It has always been an opressive/imperialistic nation but it is not in any way fascist unless your definition is “government I don’t like”
part of the purpose of this war is for benjamin netenyahu to have the pretenses he needs to do what he’s wanted since 2021: to subvert the will of his people and establish himself as dictator. until peace terms are reached, he will retain special wartime military powers, and if you think he’s going to restore power you haven’t been paying attention to who he is or how israel operates. mark my words, october 7th is when all pretenses of the israeli democracy you’re describing eroded entirely.
yes. he has support for war and genocide but not his general rule. the war is a pretense for him to cease power. then longer the mass killings go and the less accountability in the upper echelons of other governments, the less likely he is to face consequences for a coup to avoid any accountability for his own corruption. the israeli people remind me a lot of russians and us citizens in this regard, turning to their big corrupt daddy to save them from the problems manufactured by their big corrupt daddy because their view of the world is too narrow to see the bigger picture that once an ethnic cleansing reaches its end, it just doesn’t. there’s always some next group to cleanse. today it’s Uyghurs, Rohingens, Ukrainians, Palestinians, Masalit, and Congolese. Tomorrow it’s Latinos, Native Americans, Georgians, trans kids, and African Americans. The day after that it’s Jews, Koreans, women who talk, subcontinental Indians, and men who seem a little too in touch with their emotions.
It’s disgusting that you’d equivocate long since discredited atrocity propaganda like the “Uyghur genocide” narrative, which even the western media abandoned years ago, has failed to produce any documentary evidence, or even a single confirmed death, in over a decade, and for which the only primary sources are themselves rabid supporters of Israels genocide, with the undeniable mass carnage we’ve had directly live streamed to us, while it’s perpetrators have openly stated their intentions.
And while Ukrainians are the victims of a brutal war of aggression, it is no more a genocide than the invasion of Iraq.
This is why Westerners are always so docile about allowing their governments to commit unspeakable acts: because their first instinct when there own governments do it is to desperately try to find any way to justify saying “well everyone else is doing it too”
Don’t take this badly, but that’s tribalism in general, which is not at all specific to “Westerners”.
I don’t disagree with the rest of what you said, but your point about “Westerners” is really just you showing your prejudices, is a pretty good indication that you too are tribalist, just aligned with a different “tribe” and weakens your argument because it makes it seem like it’s just the defense of a different side (the same thing you accuse “Westerners” of doing) instead of being a side-agnosting principled take and critique of a certain style of Propaganda common in the Western Mainstream Media (especially American).
See? Exactly what I was talking about; when faced with an accusation against them that they can’t deny, Westerners reflexively jump to “But everyone does it!”
Yeah you’re going to need really stellar sources to back up a claim that is this far from the common position which is that he needs to keep the war going to avoid sentencing in the charges he was found guilty of just before the war started.
Not just Bidens, but the US Government in general as they, for whatever reason, really love Israel.
that reason is colonialism. the thought is that Israel helps us control the oil and intelligence in West Asia. the obvious problem: they don’t, actually, because our support of them makes dealing with oil producing countries harder, not easier, and the intelligence they provide us is incredibly faulty on account of being a fascist dictatorship. so that explains the support they get from liberal rubes, but what about the support they get from hardline conservatives? well hardline conservatives like fascism as a system of government so they like israel. that’s basically it. oh sure, some of them genuinely think there needs to be a homeland for the jews (nevermind most of our ancestral homelands are in western Ukraine, but these jackasses don’t know enough about us to know Ukraine has been consistently a better ally of the jewish people than israel). and some think all jews must return to israel in order for the events of revelations to unfold (never mind that was John the revealer writing about exactly what he was seeing in the year 90 happen to and against the jews and early christians, and the weird language was so he could get around roman censors). for the most part, it’s all as simple as “fascists like dealing with fascists because they understand eachother”
How is Israel a dictatorship? They have a multiparty democracy that regularly changes who is in control.
They are are a parliamentary democratic state that has a system of apartheid which is not at odds with liberal democracy as other liberal democracies have had apartheid states eg the USA until 1964-ish.
Can’t really have a democracy and an Apartheid. None of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation have any voice. Any opposition by Arab Israelis (Palestinians who survived the Nakba) are violently cracked down on
You can have a flawed or failing democracy and have one. Those that can vote still have a choice which is why it is not an autocracy like China or Saudi Arabia currently are.
It’s an Ethnocracy.
Saudi Arabia is a Monarchy. China is a Republic.
Yes and both are authoritarian. KSA is a monarchy whose legitimacy comes through Allah. China is an authoritarian republic. Republics derive their legitimacy from the masses rather than from a god or a familial line. Republics aren’t inherently democratic.
If you are going to reply that China isn’t authoritarian pleade explain why the people cannot choose to shift the state from Maoism should they want to.
China is mostly authoritarian, only Democratic on local levels and people have limited influence on policy despite the crackdowns and censorship.
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/political-participation-china-whats-allowed-under-xi
Still a far cry from the human rights abuses of the Absolute Monarchy of Saudi Arabia and certainly the Apartheid State of Israel, which has always been a fascist nation.
Israel has free and fair elections. It has always been an opressive/imperialistic nation but it is not in any way fascist unless your definition is “government I don’t like”
Lol, China is more democratic then Israel: at least everyone gets to vote in China.
part of the purpose of this war is for benjamin netenyahu to have the pretenses he needs to do what he’s wanted since 2021: to subvert the will of his people and establish himself as dictator. until peace terms are reached, he will retain special wartime military powers, and if you think he’s going to restore power you haven’t been paying attention to who he is or how israel operates. mark my words, october 7th is when all pretenses of the israeli democracy you’re describing eroded entirely.
Israels genocide has overwhelming domestic support. He’s not subverting the will of the people, he’s following it.
yes. he has support for war and genocide but not his general rule. the war is a pretense for him to cease power. then longer the mass killings go and the less accountability in the upper echelons of other governments, the less likely he is to face consequences for a coup to avoid any accountability for his own corruption. the israeli people remind me a lot of russians and us citizens in this regard, turning to their big corrupt daddy to save them from the problems manufactured by their big corrupt daddy because their view of the world is too narrow to see the bigger picture that once an ethnic cleansing reaches its end, it just doesn’t. there’s always some next group to cleanse. today it’s Uyghurs, Rohingens, Ukrainians, Palestinians, Masalit, and Congolese. Tomorrow it’s Latinos, Native Americans, Georgians, trans kids, and African Americans. The day after that it’s Jews, Koreans, women who talk, subcontinental Indians, and men who seem a little too in touch with their emotions.
It’s disgusting that you’d equivocate long since discredited atrocity propaganda like the “Uyghur genocide” narrative, which even the western media abandoned years ago, has failed to produce any documentary evidence, or even a single confirmed death, in over a decade, and for which the only primary sources are themselves rabid supporters of Israels genocide, with the undeniable mass carnage we’ve had directly live streamed to us, while it’s perpetrators have openly stated their intentions.
And while Ukrainians are the victims of a brutal war of aggression, it is no more a genocide than the invasion of Iraq.
This is why Westerners are always so docile about allowing their governments to commit unspeakable acts: because their first instinct when there own governments do it is to desperately try to find any way to justify saying “well everyone else is doing it too”
Don’t take this badly, but that’s tribalism in general, which is not at all specific to “Westerners”.
I don’t disagree with the rest of what you said, but your point about “Westerners” is really just you showing your prejudices, is a pretty good indication that you too are tribalist, just aligned with a different “tribe” and weakens your argument because it makes it seem like it’s just the defense of a different side (the same thing you accuse “Westerners” of doing) instead of being a side-agnosting principled take and critique of a certain style of Propaganda common in the Western Mainstream Media (especially American).
See? Exactly what I was talking about; when faced with an accusation against them that they can’t deny, Westerners reflexively jump to “But everyone does it!”
Yeah you’re going to need really stellar sources to back up a claim that is this far from the common position which is that he needs to keep the war going to avoid sentencing in the charges he was found guilty of just before the war started.