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The Linus from tech tips is such a sleazeball. If I knew him in person I would probably dislike him enough to walk on the opposite side of the street. Too bad he’s associated with Linux via the name.
Torvalds is a C programmer who didn’t even consider himself accomplished until he made Git, long after Linux.
Sebastian is a warehouse manager who still thinks he’s better than everyone else because he worked at
NZXTNCIX lol.NCIX = NZXT?
I’m dumb, thank you
No they are different.
They are different, but to clarify, Linus Sebastian worked at NCIX (defunct computer parts / tech retailer), not NZXT (computer hardware manufacturer).
People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
lol why the hate for LTT?
He took that initial gamers nexus thing and turned his whole org around imo. Their content is great again.
The new GN drama makes Steve look like a clown imo. And it makes the initial issue seem more and more like a hit job.
I don’t follow youtube or youtuber drama but you cannot really retroactively change the details I wrote below.
He’s definitely a fuck your feelings type. No nonsense and sometimes harsh but like you said it’s almost always justified. I’ll take that over fake ass, greedy LTT Linus “oops I got caught so now I’ll apologize or try to hide it and then apologize” any day of the week.
LTT could have just said fuck you’re right my bad, every single time he gets caught fucking up.
Honey: yeah we really wanted to do but that NDA was nasty and have you seen their lawyers, sorry guys We have ousted sponsors before but it just didn’t make business sense in this case. 99% would have went “yeah we get you”
Billit labs: We did not mean to fuck these guys over, erm twice. We have (repurchase the prototype off who we sent it to or compensated them for the price of machining a new part too sufficiently high tolerance) and if they provide us with a another piece and exact instructions we’ll cover them in a future video gratis.
These things didn’t need to turn into PR disasters.
Linus is giving away home made guitar pedals to kernel contributors
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/1/19/281
Nive guy
Only an asshole when talking about contributing to Linux from what I’ve seen
That may be, don’t think I’ve heard him talk about anything else. One of my favorite clips ever is his message to nvidia. Some things are worth being angry about. And because of his angry public reaction, I became aware of nvidia’s anti-FOSS efforts. So it’s not all bad imo.
You spend all your adult life nurturing a baby like the Linux kernel, a lot of it unpaid, and you’ll be a bit touchy about what goes into it too.
a lot of it unpaid
he gets paid, more than enough
Now he does. Originally he did not.
For those downvoting, Linus Torvalds earned around $650k USD last year, solely from his work on Linux and not including any speaking gigs.
He’s not Bill Gates rich but Linus is very well off.
The value humanity gets from that is orders of magnitude greater
True.
Here’s a dataset of most of his rants from the LKML along with the “hate” rating of each.
https://github.com/corollari/linusrants?tab=readme-ov-file#linusrants
Telling someone they need to get their act together or you’ll ignore their shit is considered more hateful than asking for someone to be retroactively aborted?
Haha I was wondering the same. The hate score does not make sense
whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted
He really does have a point here…
In my office it is
For an embarrassingly long time I thought they were the same person, and I wondered why anyone would look up to that tool, and call him a genius, when he couldn’t even benchmark an HDMI cable correctly (literally the only video of his I watched, and yes, I know that it wouldn’t have mattered even if he did do it properly).
Now that I know that its 2 separate assholes, I feel like LTT is even more of a tool who leans into the identity confusion on purpose for more internet clout.
What’s wrong with LTT?
There are very few things right.
Worker abuse, sexual harassment, blatant disregard with the truth, stealing review equipment from small companies, returning said equipment damaged when threatened legal action…
The only good thing about it is that they dress their lies in pretty videos.
If you want a tech channel that is actually worth your time, check out Gamers Nexus. I’m not even a gamer but their content drags me in and their commitment to the truth is what all other technical publications should have.
Gamers Nexus I find often dragging on, they can’t seem to edit their videos well. The technical details are good and the reviews well done, but the host has such a self-important demeanor it’s hard to listen to. The recent shift from tech to drama/attack videos is also disappointing. Hardware unboxed and level1techs is much better in my opinion.
He did a video about trying out linux from a novice perspective. It felt pretty disingenuous and likely led many people to conclude they shouldn’t even try it for themselves. The part that was most egregious is that he installed steam in a weird way and on that particular OS config there was a warning that said essentially “IF YOU INSTALL THIS YOUR OS WILL PROBABLY BE BRICKED. CONTINUE?” He concluded a regular user wouldn’t read that message, which I find not believable. It was a very scary warning. He continued with the install and then acted surprised when the system wouldn’t boot anymore afterward, citing it as evidence that linux was not good for the average user. Many pointed out that if he’d installed steam in several other more common ways of doing so, none of that would’ve happened. I think he was doing it exclusively on cli, which a novice would try to avoid.
Also I saw a couple videos others did showing how LTT had hired someone from a big hardware company (forget which) and around that time started giving better reviews to that company’s products and fudging benchmark numbers of competitors to look worse. When others couldn’t recreate those benchmark results and released all the data to prove it, he shrugged it off without really admitting wrongdoing at first, vaguely talking about how they’d done their best. That was a pattern of behavior.
Also one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace, saying it felt really toxic and bad for mental health. Fuck that guy and that company.
Sources:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-recent-criticism-of-linus-tech-tips-explained/
About the steam Linux thing, He tried to install it the proper way, but that didn’t work, so he had to install it from the terminal, because of a misconfiguration by Pop!_OS it required the desktop environment to be uninstalled to install steam.
What kind of fucked up OS decides that it needs to uninstall the DE to install steam?
Also the warning was buried in a bunch of text, that a novice user can’t understand.
This is 100% on Pop!_OS
The only way to proceed was in that text and required effort to exactly type a phrase.
I’ve been using pop os for years now and never had an issue installing steam. It’s a great os.
Windows fanboys are the worst
Plus I love how you simps have nothing to say about LTT fucking lying in reviews/benchmarks for money but you’re all dogpiling me to defend a moronic string of actions in Linux. Spare me this shit
one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace,
All the other stuff is 100%
This particular one is 50/50.
He did halt production.
He hired a CEO to manage him.
They did put policies in place to make sure this didn’t happen
That’s a reasonable response. Better than I expected honestly.
We’ll never know if the investigation was viable. They either buried that stuff so deep it couldn’t come back up, or the other employees are okay and maybe she was oversensitive. If he had a decent number of women on his productions, I might even give him the benefit of the doubt. It might be that it’s a boys club and they’re all used to toxic ribbing. We don’t know, we can’t trust the investigation as truth.
In a vacuum, each of the individual items is just a red flag. When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
Yeah, I don’t know either. It’s always possible that one complainer is the issue, but like you said:
When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
I find it likely that she felt the environment was toxic. I don’t think she was lying; she probably knew she’d be making a lot of enemies.
Based on all the constant ribbing between the different teams on the show, I find it likely that there’s a lot of masculinity to go around.
When you’re running a business, it’s important to prevent people from making each other uncomfortable. Everyone you hire has a different tolerance, and it’s management’s job to ensure that reasonable expectations are met and people feel safe and valued.
He concluded a regular user wouldn’t read that message, which I find not believable
Oh boy I’ve worked with IT professionals like that. Something unexpected happens and they completely fail to read or understand what text they’re presented with. This is especially common with those not comfortable in a shell
Sure – but would they then respond to a prompt reading…
And then typing out that full exact phrase? I might do that, but only expecting/understanding that I may fuck my OS.
A layman would think: I am installing steam, I want to install steam. What do you mean potentially harmful? Steam ain’t a virus. I have no clue what pop* is and what it does. -> do as I say.
While the prompt is perfectly adequate for those that are technically experienced enough to recognize it is about to uninstall your desktop environment, that isn’t the case for someone who doesn’t know what their desktop environment is. Especially since there is an expectation that installing software does not break things (but, because shared libraries are shared more often than not in Linux, it could!)
I will always think that if you type commands you don’t understand, on an OS you don’t understand, in the face of a scary warning that forces you to type a phrase like that, you are an idiot and you get what you get. The fact that pop os had that issue for a brief period isn’t relevant. Linux and related free software has been developed for decades and despite software being one of the hardest things to get right, it’s largely plug and play these days. Some idiot fucking his system up against fair warnings won’t be changing that any time soon. Enjoy you win11 I guess though.
I don’t disagree, but the fact is that these people exist (see Linux TT for proof). When things go wrong in Linux, people often end up being directed towards a terminal, even if they shouldn’t be there for plenty of reasons. If you want to be accessible to a layman, largely plug and play is insufficient: it needs to be plug-and-play. I’ve had a wifi dongle not work, I had to compile a kernel module! Those kinds of experiences will cause people that try a flavour of Linux as a desktop os to go elsewhere. Furthermore, I have seen this warning pop up with colleagues when updating software. While they were smart enough to not continue, this stuff does throw up a massive roadblock when it does, especially if you are a layman. If the instructions tell you to install using apt - and this pops up, what would you do? You still want to install the software. It is just a massive source of frustration when something like this happens, even if rare. Doing something sensible (like installing or updating software) should never result in stuff like this popping up.
The moment you need to enter a terminal to fix something - the OS would be irreparably damaged for the average Joe. I would love an immutable distro that would be usable by these people without the risk of harming themselves.
There’s a reason windows flatly refuses to do some things no matter how much you may want to. It’s people that would do exactly that without any thought or hesitation.
I prefer a system that warms me but lets me do what I want with safeguards. But I don’t buy for a second that many people would do this dumb shit. It requires too much effort for one.
I too prefer that. However, I also know there is a large subset of computer users that just want their magic box to work and I don’t think it would be a bad thing if there was a Linux distro they could use.
To be fair, as someone that works in IT…most people would ignore that pop up
It was not a popup. It was a message in a terminal window. Which not only would most users not use, you’d definitely think they would rapid-fire Y when there is scary message in all caps right about the “y/n” prompt.
Edit: it wasn’t even pressing Y. To proceed, he had to ignore the warning which was pretty clear, then type out manually “Yes, do as I say!” then press enter. Regular users who aren’t total morons asking for trouble wouldn’t do that.
I do some game modding, and sometimes have to hack together software to help with it, some of which ends up public.
One of my programs relied on the location of other, existing files and so would poke around at runtime to see where the user had launched it from, alerting the user if it was in a location where it wasn’t supported. If that happened, an interactive message box pops up with the title “UNSUPPORTED LOCATION” and text that says, verbatim sans my [notes]:
"Running [this program] from [unsupported] folder is NOT SUPPORTED, and is likely to produce errors. Run [other program] instead.
If you want to run [this program] from here anyway, type “I understand”.
You can’t skip or just “OK” the message to dismiss it, otherwise the program just immediately begins a managed shutdown of itself to prevent any of the aforementioned potential errors from occurring. I STILL had a user message me saying how making them type in “I understand” was a weird thing to make them do in order to use the program. Thankfully I think they’ve been the only one so far so it’s certainly not the norm, but the average computer user is also much less tech-savvy than someone downloading mods for a video game.
Yeah, I maintain that it’s not realistic that a person new to linux would do what he did here. I mean, sure, some people might, but the warning on the screen is really fucking clear it’s not a good idea, and it’s not the kind of “OK” modal that people are used to safely dismissing without reading.
Counter point: The removal of your desktop environment should not under any circumstances be within the possibility space of side effects for trying to install a common piece of desktop software, regardless of the warnings provided or confirmations required.
This was an issue with the OS, and the Pop_OS! team fixed it in an update very soon after this. A month earlier or later and Linus would not have encountered it.
So he nuked the OS on purpose and then blamed Linux.
Tell me, when should you ever have the need to nuke your OS in this way?
Does it hold any value to have this feature in your OS?
Because to me, it doesn’t. So it sounds like a Linux problem.
So he nuked the OS on purpose and then blamed Linux.
No, he nuked the OS because he’s one of those people who shuts down all thought when they’re outside of their depth and smashes buttons. His impression of OS’s is that recovery will always be there to save you.
For a beginner, he had no business digging that deep into the terminal without reading. They were trying to speedrun using Linux with no knowledge.
And this was early in Wayland, a lot of shit didn’t play nice yet. Hell some of it still doesn’t play nice.
If his goal was to install an OS, install steam, install OBS and play some games, he NEVER should have run into most of these issues.
At the time he installed it, there was probably a dep issue installing steam from his package manager. He could have installed it one of a dozen different ways. He wasn’t intent on making it work he was intent on showing it was out of the reach of the command user.
The OS did not work out of the box. He manually used the terminal because it did not work.
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Exactly. And for the record I’ve been gaming on pop os since around the time he made the video I linked in this thread and I did not run into that error he got, nor did I ever get presented with a choice to possibly nuke my OS. I don’t get what weird thing he did here.
One of my favorite sayings at work is “you can’t make people read.” Some workflow has changed, and management wants to alert everyone? They’re very quick to go “oh just post a sign or send a memo.” No, you can’t make people read. People will miss it, even if it’s a gigantic flashing neon sign.
On a video card driver install in text mode?
Nope… I’ll bully through an install, but when something says WARNING or CRITICAL, I read that shit. Nobody spends any time on error messages. If you see a long error message telling you it’s important, it didn’t get there by accident or an overabundance of caution. It got there from having to listen to a hundred people removed about an unexpected result.
The Linux thing pissed me off. He went out of his way not to follow instructions and tried to windows bully through shit, then called it out as unusable. Then he repeated the same garbage in different distros like he wasn’t the problem.
Then there was when he had Honey for a sponsor, found out that they were link-jacking people, dropped them as a sponsor, and never said a word about it. He was the reason thousands of people were using the platform that was stealing from people and couldn’t be bothered to mention it on the wan show? When he dropped a VPN because they doxed someone, he had no problem with calling them out.
Then there is this whole spat between him and gamers nexus where his current response is well yeah I did wrong stuff, but they didn’t give me warning and a chance to do damage control which is unethical.
He tends to blow people at conventions off with “who are you and why should I care” meanwhile Luke is nice and amicable.
He refuses to own being wrong. He’s childish. and every damn time I go back to try to listen to WAN show to get news, he comes out with some other piece of crap.
Torvalds and Sebastion are both assholes.
His channel brings news in, turns it into a digestable feed for the masses. That’s commendable.
That was an amazing video showcasing how bad Linux is for the average user.
Probably block this community then, unless you’re a troll in which case I assume you’ll let me know here.
Why? Is that opinion not allowed in here?
If you hate Linux why are you spreading negativity about it in a Linux community?
He’s an imbecile and knows nothing about tech. I watched him interconnect buildings then run Windows file transfer to test it. You know, instead of a legitimate tool like iperf. He constantly gets shit wrong about linux as others pointed out. Videos I saw on Android TV boxes were also extremely inaccurate so he could push Google’s product. Like literally everything he does with linux and android is dumb as fuck. I thought at least he was accurate with the gaming industry videos as I don’t know enough about it. But then that gamernexus video dropped and I was like holy shit… this guy can’t do anything right.
I watched him interconnect buildings then run Windows file transfer to test it.
If you’re mainly going to use a network connection to transfer files between Windows computers, then transferring files between Windows computers is going to be the most accurate benchmark possible.
He can be rude but that’s what working with people leads to.
EDIT: I apologize to everyone who has so far read this comment. I misunderstood what Linus Torvalds meant in the interview I mentioned. I thought he was just calling the Russian kernel contributors “Internet trolls”, be he was actually referring to Russian “troll farms” taking advantage of the controversy generated by how the Linux Foundation removed the Russian devs from kernel development without saying a word, to entice outrage and try to get the Foundation’s decision reversed. (afaik they had to do it because the US government ordered them to, and the foundation is hosted in the US.) I’m leaving the post in its original form for posterity.
I think the way Torvalds treated the Russian kernel maintainers that got silently removed from development (a situation that, by itself, was completely mishandled) was awful to say the least. In a interview, he said they were all Internet trolls, and referenced conflicts between Finland and Russia to “explain” his disdain for Russians. Say what you want, but I usually call a person that judges others based on their country of birth alone, an asshole. Not just that, but such behaviour sounds extremely ungrateful when we are talking about people who contributed in extremely important ways to Torvalds’ biggest project of his life. I used to have a positive view of Torvalds, but this kind of ruined it for me.He didn’t call the maintainers trolls.
In brief, the creator and lead developer of the Linux kernel stated that the dismissals were simply made in line with the policy of sanctions on the Russian aggressors in the Ukraine war.
Moreover, Torvalds didn’t pull any punches when he said “lots of Russian trolls” were working to make the recent decision look unpopular. Torvalds directly accused Russia of wielding its army of social media bots in an attempt to fake a grassroots campaign and reverse the Russian maintainer cull.
This tracks with other Russian social media efforts.
So I interpreted this interview the wrong way. This changes everything!
Thank you for letting me know that I was making a misinformed comment. I’m editing it as we speak.
No, thank you for holding yourself accountable.
but I’ve yet to see anything from him that didn’t make sense.
He supports tivoization.
“He doesn’t think he should fight it as a top priority” is not the same as “he supports it”.
I looked at the wiki page, but I’m still not sure why/how he supports that. Got a link I can read up on?
Edit: read some more and googled more and I don’t see him supporting it, rather it seems he takes issue with trying to dictate to hardware makers what they can do.
Linus Torvalds is still a Git
At least he wasn’t caught promoting a browser extension that turned out to be a huge scam that stole money from both regular people and other content creators trying to earn some affiliate revenue.
A lot of creators were tricked into that. The problematic part was that they realized the issue and completely went silent about the issue instead of raising awareness of the scam. Alerting about that fact would have been a great tech tip.
I think they were not aware of the scam that screwed over users at the time, only the one that screwed themselves over
Absolutely, that may be important. LTT were only aware of the extension screwing over the creators, not that the customers were also getting screwed.
They said they found out at around the same time as all the other creators, so breaking it into a video wouldn’t have mattered for anyone. The people they assumed were affected at the time already knew and were dropping the sponsorships.
Right, and we don’t know why anyone would choose to remain silent if they’re aware of the issue, unless they were paid to sign an NDA.
Hey, but he admits it!
He does tend to name things after himself doesn’t he?
Well he was about to name it freax or somethin and someone else named it linux iirc
LTT needs Emily back in front of the camera to provide a proper Linux perspective.
I pretty much stopped watching after Emily stopped being on camera and unsubbed entirely after the harassment and overworking allegations came out.
And I’m not even a Linux person 99% of the time! I do run a home server, but my daily driver is windows. Emily was just one of the only people on the channel that not only seemed to know exactly what she was talking about, but also didn’t behave like a total tech dude bro the entire time
Emily left a couple months ago
Did she mention why? I was expecting her to start doing videos again at some point…
Yes. That’s literally what they said
not exactly. she was always primarily a writer at LTT
Needed to search who Emily is. I was totally out of the loop.
Yeah she was the best.
Sorry about that. I don’t know the right way to reference a trans person who was famous under their former identity but not their real one.
Me neither, I think the best approach is to use the new identity always, if the person is interested they can search for it.
I miss Emily. She was amazing.
Representative of the Linux user base as well 😂
juicy new controversy with ltt?
Steve called out LTT for knowing about the Honey marketing scam but not saying anything because it would harm his business (This isn’t speculation. Linus said it publicly.) LTT called for peace with Gamer’s Nexus using the veiled threat that Gamer’s Nexus comments are causing material harm to his business.
Steve responded by posting an old text exchange he had with Linus regarding a LTT Wan show that copied a Gamer’s Nexus video without even mentioning they they were using Gamer’s Nexus script (almost identical in topic order, format and words) for their show. If Steve was a serious business instead of a fan running a channel as a business, that’s where lawyers would have been brought in to sue LTT. Instead Steve only asked for acknowledgment- which Linus never gave.
The part about honey is a complete misread of the facts. There were posts on the LTT forum about honey scamming creators, and Linus himself said that within the creator community he thought the news got around enough to not warrant a video about it.
So many linux people have a hate boner for the guy because he’s got a prickly personality and makes videos for the unwashed masses, but he still has integrity.
but he still has integrity.
Ok you lost me there. No.
Could be mistaken, but supposedly Linus knew about the part where Honey was screwing over affiliates (like himself), and claims that was public-enough knowledge in the creator community at the time that he didn’t feel compelled to say more, not the part where Honey was screwing over customers, too. Also, didn’t he credit Steve via a pinned comment to that video?
In the pinned comment he basically said “Thanks Steve”, which isn’t helpful as most people wouldn’t know who this Steve person would be
almost identical in topic order, format and words
Apparently, that specific conversation was in Mandarin, and Steve was the only member of the media present who spoke Mandarin. I’m pretty sure that appending a simple “thank you Steve from Gamers Nexus for translating” would’ve been sufficient, especially since Linus wants to look like they’re such good buddies.
“ThE aLlEgAtIoNs WeRe PrOvEn To Be FaLsE By aN iNdEPeNdEnT tHiRd-PaRtY iNvEsTiGaTiOn.”
That’s… How it works? They didn’t inspect themselves and pat themselves on the back, but brought in pros, and worked with them and avidwd by their findings?
They set a very high bar in this one specific area.
Admittedly didn’t look to closely, but weren’t they the ones funding the third party investigation group? Seems like conflict of interest, I mean those findings would seem legit if the third party was agreed to by both sides.
How would someone better address a situation like that?
Open up to some third party coming in and publicly investigate and share their findings. Wasn’t this entire investigation behind closed doors with LMG giving the final “Yeah they said we’re good” message?
If that’s the case, that’s like me being accused of a crime and hiring my own prosecutor, judge, and jury in a closed court. No shit I’m gonna say I did nothing wrong lol.
Ah yes. “Someone said she was harassed. Let’s post all of the investigation details publicly.”
That will go well. There’s zero chance that it could backfire and turn a victim into a target, or suppress future victims from speaking out because the last person to do so got doxxed /s
Situations like this need to be handled with discretion so that you can avoid re-victimizing anyone who was wronged. Even if the original victim was found to be crying wolf, there’s still a victim somewhere who was wronged; The person/people they accused, for instance.
Okay, fair. When I said public, I didn’t mean to say publicly share every single detail. Obviously, there needs to be discretion. That said, the fact that all flow of information was via LMG themselves means there’s absolutely zero chance they will say there is any wrongdoing.
Another way to look at it is that they already had a media company with an established viewer base and reach, and they used it to broadcast the investigation details as widely as possible while still maintaining privacy for everyone involved. What would you have them do, get the investigation company to post the “all clear” message somewhere that nobody will ever see it? They already had a soapbox, so they used it; They likely didn’t see any need to reinvent the wheel when they already had a way to broadcast the message.
Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Random people have absolutely no right to see the details of that report.
Shit - I work in the public sector where people can demand to see the co tents of my phone, but there are classes of information we do not share. Specifically, we don’t share details regarding active litigation, property negotiation, or personnel matters.
You can’t share that kind of stuff. There is a victim somewhere, if it’s the accuser/ accused being the victim or the accuser being a victim of their own behavior.
That he paid good money for.
Thats how that works no? Who should pay for it?
Preferably, these 3rd party investigations should be done by a regulated entity, chosen by a 3rd party that the business being investigated has no say in, with no contact between the chosen investigative party and the business being investigated until the investigation has started.
So yes, you are correct that LTT needs to be the ones to pay for the investigation, but they shouldn’t be allowed to know who they were paying until after the fact, and they certainly should not be allowed to choose who they paid.
There would need to be a legal complaint for a regulatory body correct? A legal complaint was never made.
Torvalds’s history of verbal abuse is well documented in public mailing list archives.
I can’t speak about whatever happened behind closed doors at LTT nor am I defending anything by LTT but Torvalds is not sunshine and rainbows either.
I won’t argue with you there. Don’t get me wrong, Linus Torvald’s contribution to the world is huge. And the Linux kernel being an open source project, I’m sure he had to deal with his share of angry dickwads.
In his defence, he did take a break and did some anger management therapy.
But, if he’s an angry asshole, than that’s what it is. I still prefer an tolerant and inclusive asshole than one that won’t own up to his mistakes and make women feel physically threatened.
So the real choice here is between a shit sandwich or a douche.
what did they do? im lost
A former LTT employee made claims of sexual harassment and poor working environment. LTT paid a third party to investigate those claims and unsurprisingly didn’t find evidence that supported those claims. A lot of LTT stans use this as “evidence” that the accuser was lying. Assuming that is clearly false logic, investigating yourself isn’t proof of innocence.
When you’re the size of LMG you don’t hire investigative law firms for PR; you do it for liability. The goal is to limit corporate liability by removing individuals likely to get you sued, and most importantly to distance leadership from it with plausible deniability. The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
I don’t think its unreasonable to suggest that a positive finding from an investigative firm is evidence to support their position that they, materially, did nothing wrong. The fact that no one was fired as a result of that investigation is a good sign externally, as it would open them up to more liability if they knew about it and did nothing.
Adding to this, at least publicly, they stated that regardless of the outcome, the situation highlighted changes that needed to be made within their organization. IIRC, they didn’t produce anything for bit while they “addressed the issues.” I recall a YT video of Linus explaining all that. Take it for what it’s worth.
Personally, I think it’s likely that something happened that offended a former employee. That thing may or may not have been a misunderstanding, but either way, the employee felt harassed. I can’t fault how LMG handled it. Any other company would’ve responded similarly. I’m not saying they did the “bare minimum.” I’m saying, to me, their response seemed reasonable.
Not being held legally liable ≠ Nothing happened
Afaik the report that was done was not made public. If one side paid for the investigation and controls all the info in said investigation then it can’t be used as proof of innocence.
The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
Meaning what? What would the company doing the investigation do is if the claims that someone said:
I was asked about my sexual history, my boyfriends sexual history, “how I liked to fuck”.
I was asked to twerk for a co-worker at one point.
I was told I was chunky, fat, ugly, stupid. I was called “removed” I was called a "removed
Where true? How would one even prove that actually happened to them? The Investigation Company surely signed an NDA and had no legal ability to release any info found in says investigation right? If they started releasing info that accusations where in fact true they would lose all their business immediately right?
Good lord. what happened this time?
I think a group of people found a dead horse they like beating. They enjoy it, so they will keep going.
I just hate fanboys who’ll defend someone famous tooth and nail no matter what, like that person can do no wrong. I’m just so tired of this. Whether it’s Linus fans or Musk fans or whatever.
I used to love what LTT did, NGL. I really enjoyed their channel. I also had my reservations at first when I heard that girl’s story. But looking a little further I found they didn’t treat their employees nicely, especially if they were women. And Linus’ attitude towards the people he wronged really irked me. So fuck him.
And every time I mentioned that story, the little fan boys come out of the woodwork and all reply with that same stupid comment. We don’t know how that company, that LMG paid for, did their investigation, we don’t know what evidence was presented to them, so what do we really know about this invetigation? Just because they didn’t find anything doesn’t mean nothing wrong was done.
Uhm aktchewally, its the GNU-Linus Tech Tip system, a complete free software advice and content engine
Linus Tech Tips is just one of many distros that run on the Linus Media Group kernal
free only as in beer, however
What’s wrong with LTT?
Only 3 reasons to watch their type of vids, preview/review of shiny new tech product, technical expertise or entertaining hosts.
But these days, other channels have the same access to new products, they are definitely not experts in the subjects they cover, and I find all the hosts pretty dull.
https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Here’s a quick roundup of some, but not all of the issues people have with LTT.
All these things listed are blunders (some quite big ones) but I think the person who responded to that comment with the opposing view makes a lot of sense. They added the nuance to the situation that the comment you linked to I think glasses over since they obviously don’t like Linus. Personally their (the response comments) take is where I stand on these issues too.
Obvious, as LTT has grown they have made mistakes but they have always explained their reasoning or otherwise apologised and tried to make things right.
Overall I think they are a force for good in the world. They teach millions about tech, how to use it, and how you can save money. As they become more corporate their passion may fade but I think it’s still there and I’ll probably keep watching their stuff for the time being
But you don’t understand. This is the Internet. You are either a saint or the anti-christ. There is nothing In-between and nuance is propaganda. And if you don’t agree with my currently held emotionally charged position, you are what’s wrong with (fill in the blank).
Unfortunately thats the problem with the world atm. No one cares for the facts, just what ever fits their narrative
My issue is he’s a large channel and their videos are consistently inaccurate. I’ve never watched a video of his on linux or android or android tv and couldn’t find numerous flaws. He is a huge channel with a lot of influence and he’s prioritized pumping out inaccurate videos instead of doing the due diligence and research. I feel with as large of a channel he has and as much influence he has, he has a responsibility. Instead he’s doing the tech community as a whole harm. Literally every video I’ve seen from him regarding linux or android was extremely inaccurate or missing beneficial information. I always wrote it off as he’s just a gamer bro and that’s more his niche but then the gamernexus video dropped and showed he was even getting that wrong. LTT has done more harm to the tech community on YouTube than any other channel.
The more recent context has to do with Linus personally, Rossman just did a video on it
The work load stuff they seem to have improved (from what I can tell) but the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded). Not sure we’ll ever know what really happened cause that sort of info probably won’t become public.
Given there are other women what continue to work there (I implore them to speak up if they feel the same) hopefully it was just an isolated incident and whoever was responsible was fired.
the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded).
I don’t remember where it was posted - maybe a community note on YouTube - but they basically said that the third party investigation they had done concluded that the accusations were unfounded.
LTT is a joke, but that’s why it’s interesting to watch.
Honestly I didn’t really care about the allegations until Steve Burke alleged that Linus told him he’s “less autistic then he used to be”. Its also annoying how he clearly has a superiority complex.
they’re probably just mad that his Linux videos do a terrible job representing Linux.
I watched his videos on Linux and tried using Ubuntu myself a little while back and tbh I kinda had a similar experience to him.
Being asked to restart fairly often and finding it difficult to instal more niche things with command line even if I could just copy paste stuff. I like the lack of Microsoft bullshit but the programs I used for uni and games weren’t compatible at the time.
That being said I tried about a year before steam deck became a thing and I got that a year+ ago and haven’t had too many issues like that (still some though). Looking forward to general steamos release cause I definitely want to try again
Yeah, I think most people that have 10 or more years experience with linux or unix or other forms think that it has gotten much easier to start out than when they did it, sure it was a struggle back then, but it’s been ten years and I have an easy time with all of it now, so it must be easier now. It may be a bit easier than it was 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, but it’s still very much not “accessible”. Even most steam deck users have a hard time with the very simple, presentable, accessible version that comes on that.
It’s easy to lose track of how hard something is when it hasn’t been for you in a long time. But linux is unfortunately still very inaccessible for the vast majority of people. It is constantly moving in the right direction, and generally worth getting through the hard part to make it to the other side, but you need motivation to do so, as it will fight back for a long time. But, windows and mac have it almost as bad. Neither one is quite as hard to transition to as linux, but there is still a decent barrier to switch between them. Once linux is around that same level of barrier, that’s when we can expect the numbers to come up notably.
Tbh I found steam os alright mostly cause devs making stuff for it have put work into making things GUI based. That being said, I did try install some other stuff to see what I could do and it got confusing so maybe cause I only game on it it’s fine 😅.
I have used windows for all my life but the main reason I want to try switch to Linux is cause windows has gone to shit. Literally one of the 3 largest companies in the world can’t make a file explorer that actually works correctly. Plus MS pushing their own services hard is just so annoying.
Ubuntu isnt very good, but a lot of people recommend it because it used to be good. use something else that has an Ubuntu base (for app availability). I would recommend tuxedo os for kde plasma and pop os for a gnome-like experience but a little better. a lot of people recommend mint but I wouldn’t, though the reason I wouldn’t doesn’t really matter to newer users. the most important thing to consider (assuming you’re choosing something with an Ubuntu base ther handles drivers normally) is what desktop environment you want. Ubuntu is a modified version of gnome. gnome is kind of like the computer equivalent of how phones work (in a good way). kde plasma is visually a lot like windows (pre 11)by default, but has enough customization that it can look however you want (mine is set up with a windows 10 style taskbar, tiling, and gnome-like handling of virtual desktops). pop shell (what pop os has) is a modified version of gnome that is kind of in between gnome and a conventional desktop, and they are working on something new called cosmic that is even better. remember you can always use a virtual machine to test without affecting your normal system.
edit: forgot to mention cinnamon (mint’s desktop). it looks pretty much just like windows 10 like kde, but it has less customization (on purpose). whether that matters or not is up to you.
The fact that you can apparently install the “wrong OS” isn’t making it easier for first time Linux users.
Especially if that “wrong OS” is a popular OS.
I never said it was the “wrong OS”, I’m just saying that it isn’t very good as opposed to other distros. I also went on to explain exactly why I say that and that the best distro is the one you like the most that works for your use case.
You don’t, but plenty of Linux users says it’s the wrong OS. In fact, I’ve seen plenty that says you shouldn’t choose many of the most popular distros such as Linux Mint and Pop_OS. It always makes me wonder if these people aren’t just trying to sabotage Linux desktop adoption among newbies by making it more confusing than it needs to be. Just say the pros and cons of such and such distro and just let people make their own choice instead of trying to push their favourite distro over more popular ones.
firstly, I clarified that I wasn’t saying it was bad. second, what other people say independent of me is irrelevant to what I said. third, I explained what the problem was that was making me say that about ubuntu in detail, cited the people saying there is a ‘wrong’ distro as a reason for doing that, and explicitly said (twice in this thread) that the only relevant things in how good a distro is are whether you like it and whether it works for you.
I’m definitely gonna come back to this when I try Linux again sometime this year when I have a moment to mess around!
Probably a dumb question but why is Ubuntu bad?
It’s not ‘bad’ necessarily, but it makes a lot of controversial decisions such as it’s use of snap packages over flatpak. these decisions are harmful to the linux community as a whole and to the experience of using ubuntu, so it’s best to avoid supporting it.
for some context on the snap thing, basically different distros use different packaging formats (.deb, .rpm, etc.) which makes it hard to distribute software. also, each individual system is set up differently and has different packages which can make fixing bugs difficult, especially for developers who aren’t very familiar with linux. to solve this, flatpak is distro-agnostic (runs on any linux) and puts the app in the same environment on every system. it’s also sandboxed, which basically means each app is in it’s own little box and it can only see/interact with things it has permission to. snap does most of that as well, but unlike flatpak it is completely controlled by a single entity (canonical, company behind ubuntu) and it means that instead of one sandboxed thing for every distro we have two, which solves nothing. there are some other issues as well, but currently the issue of snap packages is the biggest one most people have with ubuntu.
for more information on all this, I would recommend The Linux Expirement on youtube. not by any means the only good linux channel, but my favorite. also, please ignore the tribalism. people will act like there is a best distro, there is not. people will act like a distro is useless because it doesn’t have some random tool that most don’t, it is not. if you like the distro and it works for you the it’s the best one because your use case is all that matters on your computer.
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense why people don’t like it now
No problem, I try to explain that pretty well when people ask because it’s something that there’s a lot of misleading info about because of the tribalism.
Ubuntu has gone to shit, use Mint instead
I see this a lot but I always wonder why is it bad? Didn’t seem that bad when I tried it
snaps forced down your throat, stability issues, lots of bad decisions in the past (unity, ads in menu or terminal)
none of that is in mint
From what I’ve discerned, the fame; internet clout; and money got to their heads to the point they drifted from mostly impartial and helpful information to a more biased perspective, with which benefits their sponsors more than their viewers or the community as a whole.
Tbh, I don’t think I agree. The only times I feel they can’t really be impartial “even if they say they are” is when they use a sponsors parts to build something. Or otherwise the whole video is sponsored but they kinda are reviewing the fevice. I don’t really like those videos but they are very clear about the fact that it is sponsored so viewers can at least down some salt whilst they watch the video. They also do state some issues they have with the products when they arise which is good (though obviously they may not say everything that’s wrong with it)
They’re a bunch of Windows power-user clowns cosplaying as tech experts.
Long story short, he’s an ignorant asshole. Sorry I don’t have enough time atm to list all the detaills lol. Gamer Nexus recently made another post about him and his company which was also going around on lemmy.
Edit: someone else made a good summary https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
Spouting shit and not providing any proof. Are you a republican?
Like I said I didn’t have time to list them as I am traveling looking at mobile to pass time. Since you are quick to judge, are you a Republican? :P
Tbh, whether GN is right or not I do find his reporting practices kinda wack. Not asking for comment before a video is put out is disengenuous even if the response. Regardless of what a response to that would be I think it’s fair to ask for comment at least
Previously they did reach out privately (like when LTT plagiarised GN) but after Linus said something negative about GN publicly unwarranted, they had a fallout and everything is done publicly now. Seems fair to me and he always reaches out to other companies first before making a report from what I can see. I don’t remember what the drama was about but something to do with testing a product when LTT made a mistake and got too defensive when they got called out.
Edit: found a comment explaining that with bit more detail https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Gamers nexus was easily proven wrong too. Trusting gamers nexus on anything these days is just gonna make you look bad. Steve has clearly no problem with attacking LTT no matter what he has to make up in order to do so. LTT aren’t saints, but they aren’t making up shit in order to attack other creators. It’s just not possible to trust GN to be proper journalists anymore.
When was GN proven wrong and did they at least admit they where wrong? Everybody gets things wrong, it’s how often you’re wrong and how you handle being wrong that matters.
The whole copper heatsink thing? Like literally all of it (like everything from that video, not just the heatsink) was immediately debunked and Steve did and said nothing to take back his comments. If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
Steve doubled down because he was sent the entire email exchange from the heatsink company and posted it as proof.
Idk his article had all the screenshots to prove the points from what I can see so I would rather take his word than someone who doesn’t mind harassment in their workplace.
Edit: found the article https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
you speak of foss yet you use Google curious /s
Of course
Yes. I use Google because it gives me the best results of all the FOSS (but shitty) search engines I’ve tested. I won’t change the tools in my workflow until the replacements work the same or better.
C’mon man DDG ain’t that bad and Google search ain’t that good anyways
DDG
Or Brave search.
Well, I’m guessing OP had the same issue as me, where DDG just didn’t deliver any usable results when searching for more technical topics. Unfortunately, no search engine is really there yet. Google just does that one thing too well. I can ditch Google for most things I use, except for search and YouTube. Those two things it does so much better than its competitors. :(
Exactly! But some people won’t understand it anyway
akchually one might lead to the other
You sound like a member of the FSF
That would be having the haunted house on both sides
Um, ackshually its GNU/House
As in it’s lowkey crumbling, but that also allows you to tear through it to see how it’s made and make your own, modeled after it? Well, I’d just recently taken to calling it GNU + House
