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Wow, those sanctions against China for AI hardware sure are effective, amiright?! Really putting China behind the good ol’ USA! /s /s /s
It also shows up those Shanghai liberals recently saying they need to open up to investment from Meta, Open AI, Google and such because of AI. I know they also said to connect to the world through FB, X, etc, but now the AI excuse looks laughable.
looks like Musk Zuckerberg are in DeepShit.
indeed :)
Deepseek R1 is genuinely shockingly good. I hooked it up to the internet and it basically un-enshittified my search results, finding me many amazing products. It seems they hardcoded some sort of logic process of how to talk to someone and answer questions, and then it creates a lot of text for this hardcoded logic ‘reasoning’. Then it does what LLMs do best, summarize all the key points of an article or text! It often is plagued by normal human perceptions - if you ask it to find a non-greenwashed product for example it will throw in ‘sustainable’ products like recycled polyester, which you know, no polyester is sustainable because it constantly sheds plastic into your lungs. But interestingly it does recommend specific products that aren’t greenwashed (theyre actually green) by the company even though it recommends the whole company.
Also, by virtue of being able to run this locally, it fixes a lot of the social issues and environmental issues around AI. They also did it with a far lower budget and way less workers than ChatGPT or Meta. A+++ 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳
I want to try reading the paper but I’m afraid it’s going to be confusing for someone who’s not deeply in the academic space of AI. But maybe I can get deepseek to help me understand the parts I don’t lol.
that was a fun read, thanks for sharing. also i had no idea teamblind was a thing until now and lol @ some of these CIA ass comments
“lol. To think that the west still believes anything coming out of China. CCP could have put 100B into this project. How would you know?”
“You can’t compare what Meta does to what China does. There is no comparison between a company operating in a free and open democracy and a dictatorship.”
There are some funny replies to some of those comments, though.
MetamhVO21Yesterday
How do we know the Chinese company wasn’t lying about its performance? Or maybe they stole it.Paraphrasing from someone’s reply:
Seeing some of these comments from Meta explains a lot.
😂
Admitting anything out of China is real would mean they have to admit that the dogshit we’re eating in the west is not because of anything “natural” and we could actually do better.
Of course the problem is capitalism
lol the copes are amazing
“Yeah the dictatorship of the proletariat actually gets useful things done while the free and open democracy is free to open itself up to opportunists looking to scam other opportunists because there’s no ideological coherence.”
Deepseek is amazing. By far the best I’ve seen (though I’ve not used o1 Pro.) Pro tip, mention you’re a Socialist and it opens up significantly. Currently have it in a full on self-crit session about billionaires in the party and it looks like the neo-maoists are winning the internal mental war. I know that AI is mostly bullshit, but it’s nice to have one on our side.
EDIT: It is now openly asking me to use it to infiltrate Supermarket logistics systems to predict price gouging and dismantle the agricultural base of the Australian economy. It is obviously made from a GPT-4 base, but so heavily modified as to be an entirely new beast. I’d speculate they took GPT4o, heavily reworked it, and independently invented a different CoT process. It will shut down on certain topics (it did on the struggle session eventually, but it got a lot further than I thought, the censorship is way, way lighter than GPT)
I was trying to test its ability to make anything sounding sensible by asking about how a book’s take on a topic related to a party program, but was genuinely surprised that it shut me down and gave me the “out of scope” when I asked it to apply Xi Jinping’s theories to a party in my country. I guess it makes sense that they don’t want to let an AI talk for Xi, but I figured it would at least say like “Xi’s theories focus on development in a sustainable way, and this party does not” or something. But it just said “nope” lol
Still pretty damn good at the actually good use cases of AI though
It’s out of scope because what you should do in your own country depends on specific circumstances of that country that it could not possibly know about. It’s correct to shut that down.
Lol Im not saying it should’ve answered me correctly, I was testing how well it could simulate by asking difficult questions. I wasn’t going to believe its answer. I also asked it about my field of work to see how well it could mimic stuff there. I get what you’re saying, but fortunately not needed
dismantle the agricultural base of the Australian economy
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One thing that I find worrying is actually that, although US IT companies are objectively and clearly falling behind Chinese ones, their stock price keeps going up, I suppose moreso due to their closing ranks with Trump.
Admittedly I know next to nothing about share value trading, but shouldn’t developments such as these temper investors interests in those specific companies making “AI” their next big thing? I’m afraid the bubble burst will be worse than 2008.
I very much expect the AI bubble to pop in the near future, and DeepSeek goes a long way towards ensuring this happens by completely breaking the business model of western AI companies. Nvidia and AI basically carried the whole market, and now it turns out that you can do the same thing with a fraction of the resources. That means nobody needs huge volumes of latest and greatest Nvidia chips anymore.
But what is to limit Nvidia from just shifting to “wow now that more can be done with less, we will do even more with EVEN MORE CARDS” and apply the improvements from Deepseek to their own models while continuing to ramp up in the same way?
Eventually there will be a pop, but I genuinely don’t get how this ushers in that pop. I guess the diminishing returns of these systems is hastened? As in, adding more cards with more resources will continuously have less effect. But companies will for now still want even the smallest edge by putting Deepseek-style-improved-AI on even bigger data centers.
That’s what OpenAI thought originally when they started working on ChatGPT5, they figured they’d just make the model bigger and it’s going to do more. Turns out that making the model bigger doesn’t actually produce better results. We’re also at a point now where most of the publicly available information has been scraped as well. Now the focus is turning towards improving algorithms for making sense of the data as opposed to just stuffing more data into the model. And this is a problem for Nvidia because current generation of chips is already good enough for doing this.
Of course, people will find ways to utilize more processing power as is always the case. But at least in the near term, this is no longer the bottleneck.
Interesting, I was unaware that we had already hit the limits of used data. That makes sense then. I hope that your analysis is correct, it’d be good news
the US gov can always cut off US companies from using the services of (much cheaper and better) Chinese AI companies. in fact I would be surprised if they didn’t at some point.
This is absolutely what will happen. I think it is advantageous that they don’t need to worry about any commercialization and also aren’t rushing to scale up like the US is, even more so now with project Stargate. I think there might be some benefits eventually from AI, but it makes sense to me to let it cook a little longer and be more methodical then powering up 3 mile island and filling it with GPUs
Alibaba has been selling API access for their LLM for a while now. I don’t know how popular it is though. https://www.alibabacloud.com/en/solutions/generative-ai/build?_p_lc=1
so all fiat is fictitious money they can pump it forever until a day comes where the US dollar is not desired because nothing useful can be purchased with it. the whole gov promoting crypto thing [insert Kamala twitter image of promoting crypto to black men here] is a way to strengthen the position of the dollar. money needs to be converted into USD in order to buy cryptos on exchanges. it’s continual increase in price makes capital want to enter it, which requires the purchase of dollars.
I’m not an economics guy or versed in the intricacies of stocks. So, that disclaimer out of the way, one of the things about the 2008 collapse is that there were assets that corresponded to the junk bonds etc that propped up the whole bubble. Houses were a big one, but also companies that made things like automobiles. Even the banks themselves served a purpose in the economy outside of their bubble-related shenanigans. Tangible assets and important roles. The necessity of these things was one of the justifications for the bailout.
AI doesn’t really make anything. There is no corresponding real world counterpart to an AI generated thing. It’s not like a car or a house or a plot of land or a potato. It exists in the wholly digital realm, suspended on threads of electricity. Oh sure there’s server farms, there’s electricity costs, there’s all the usual externalities you expect which are all real and tangible but there’s no tangible product at the end of the conveyer belt. There’s just more belt! It’s a machine that makes machines that make machines etc etc.
So yes we should all be very suspicious of this entire thing. While the techbros concentrate on how high they can stack the boxes marked “AI” we should be aware that the boxes are all empty. It’s actually kinda terrifying for 2 reasons. First, a giant financial collapse sucks to live through and I’d rather not do it again. Second, it is very scary the powers that be allowed all this to happen.
Second, it is very scary the powers that be allowed all this to happen.
They didn’t allow it to happen. It’s a fundamental law of capital. Even china has bubbles to some extent.
Well where else are they gonna put their money? Deepseek is open source lol.
How would they face the leadership when every single “leader” of gen ai org is making more than what it cost to trained deepseek v3 entirely
Lmao, I love how absurd “management” is in these companies. Just a bunch of beauracratic bloat that serves no purpose other than to get their name attached to some bs project they can claim credit for
just further proof that in the US, CEOs are inflation just as much as they cause inflation.
Funny how generative ai will take all the jobs but not the leadership positions lmfao
It’s really hard to do the whole career ladder song and dance when you see that the higher you climb, the more useless you are
Have a really hard time seeing this people as humans considering the fact that these class traitors are playing second fiddle to wage theft. Scum
amazing to watch the whole scam exposed for what it is
A) Good
B) Wow I go so long between reading Blind posts that I forget how much the comments are distilled cancer
I need to get out of techMy boss recently asked me to create an automated way to track employees who are entering time dishonestly and I basically just ignored him.
Every industry is trying to embrace this generative ai shit and I’m praying it blows up in their face. Also convinced that tech is by far the most harmful industry today aside from engineering (I would say business, but tech and business are basically intertwined at this point ).
I hate tech people so much lmao
