Based on their writing style in their recent long post about the change, they’re immature children at best. 6? People wrote it together and it’s a disjointed mess.
PTB.
I have no idea which ideological problems people are talking about. I do know however that users are not cattle - you can ask them to migrate to another comm, you can lock a community down, but you cannot herd them to the comm that you want by saying “go there”. And trying to prevent users from going to whatever comm they want is a big arsehole move.
Even the removal reply is power-tripping (and dumb/disingenuous/shitty). “Not relevant”? Goddammit this is a 196 community, there’s no such thing as “not relevant”! Who are they trying to fool with that toilet entry?
No idea, but !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone is thriving
I don’t follow that community but one theory seems to be that ultimately it might have been dragon fucker that broke it all apart - https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15732326.
Though the actions and words of the mods themselves tell the entire story all on its own really - they “own” the community, there is no need for a poll, they did not appreciate Ada’s “help” despite all the hardships they caused her by failing to attend to the modlog in a timely fashion (which due to its lack of filters is a legitimate hardship upon her), and basically they want the power that any instance admin (like spez) has, yet are completely unwilling to take any of the responsibilities that would come with it.
Oh well, the new community at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone seems to be moving along supremely well without those mods already…
The comment that you linked hints that the mod was already considering the migration for quite a while; so if the dragon rider event had any role, it was like a drop of water in the ocean.
If I had to take a guess it’s all about the admins keeping a closer control over the community than the mod in question wants to see. So far, so good, if she wants to mod a LW comm instead it’s her own decision, but then relinquish control to the people who were clearly against the move.
That is an astute observation. Though I got from it more that it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back - like it was relevant, and may have been the thing that actually prompted the move, but it was neither necessary nor sufficient on its own, yet was still the thing that may have caused it. Like a fight within a couple that caused a divorce, though not existing without the context surrounding it, and still the breakup would have happened anyway just at a later date.
The real reason seems to be that the mods looked at what spez said and did and said “nice, when can I do that as well?” Given that… it’s only natural to never be satisfied no matter how much free stuff is thrown in one’s direction, always more must be sought, demanded, and even fought over. Perhaps it’s not enough to win and rather others must lose? Okay then, so they have “won”, and people have already moved on.
The reason why I don’t think that Dragon Rider is too relevant (not even as a last straw) is that, even if Moss strongly disagrees with how the admins handled that user, Blåhaj is still way more protected against trolls than Lemmy World would ever be. So it wouldn’t make sense to move the comm to LW.
Unless the issue is not how the admins handled it, but the fact that they handled it at all? LW has worse protection against trolls, but it gives the mods more control over their comms. That would fit well what you said in the second paragraph, and explain why drag was mentioned at all.
From what I can gather from what little they want to share it’s very clear to me that they wanted to move to world to attract a larger audience and also so certain transphobic users could participate again. They also repeatedly claim that the community is the moderators rather than the users, which just makes it clear how out of touch they are.
Edit: Also, it’s super obvious the reason they don’t want to give over the old community is so people are “forced” to move to their new world community. They only care about number go up.
Well, technically they aren’t wrong.
Anyway, people are really enjoying the new 196 community. By which I mean the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone community that is growing by leaps and bounds every hour. In the last 3-4 hours there have been 80 posts, 900 users, 360 subscribers… by comparison, in !196@lemmy.world I see just 4 posts, one of which is the new set of regulations threatening people to be banned even before they read any existing posts (bc it’s pinned above them I mean).
There is really no comparison here.
Literally telling on herself that she’s inactive for weeks to months at a time. But yeah, definitely Ada’s fault for trying to actually moderate the largest comm on the instance. I think both sides here are at fault though, as I’ve seen (and been disappointed by) the way Ada moderates the matrix space she runs.
To be fair that post was in the old 196 as well. It’s a rules explanation thingy.
Yeah but the new one here by Moss has an oldest comment of 1 day ago, I guess they made that before the announcement 14 hours ago. So it seems to have replaced the old one.
But yeah you get me: it’s not a “real” post about “rules” - except it is, but it is not a “really real” post about “Rules”, you feel me? :-P
Seems the community is heading to onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone instead, looks a lot more active
Thanks
That’s deffo a PTB
They’re on a streak
Because the mod they share locked it to force a move to the lemmy.world one: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone/t/676055/WE-ARE-MOVING-TO-LEMMY-WORLD
But this is a prime example that mods are not their community, which is why I believe users should be able to choose their preferred or alternate moderators when participating in a community.
I beg to differ: that is not the prime example that mods are not their community, this is: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20968775 -> the new !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone that somebody requested and Ada already allowed and gave the shortcut name 196 to already has 80 posts, 900 users and 360 subscribers despite being ~3 hours old and most people haven’t even heard the drama yet but this has already solved it!:-P
Not relevant… On 196.
Or course - don’t you know that you are landed gentry, subject to the whims of a king!? 🤪
Yeah, that’s a power trip, strange to be posturing as anti-authoritarian but then unilaterally making decisions like that.
This was indeed wrong, I restored the post and asked the mod who removed it for an explanation
Thanks, I guess?
I have been doing calculus the entire day nonstop in preparation to fail my tomorrow’s test and my brain is totally fried. I came back to see a completely new sub dominating the top and I can’t parse what and why has happened. Can somebody please briefly explain using very small words?
Mods of !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone unilaterally decided to lock it and wanted them force everyone to move to !196@lemmy.world
Vast majority of the members were unhappy with the decision and started !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago. 1180 active users, 124 posts.
Why did they want to move it?
They didn’t want to moderate and got upset when Ada actually enforced instance rules/dealt with reports that came in
Thank you very much!
Can’t say I’m not glad this happened. 196 was the only community I was banned from (permanently) and thus couldn’t vote or comment on good chunk of top posts.
https://lemmy.world/post/24479762?scrollToComments=true
Sorry it took so long, but we’ve addressed everything in a pinned post
Everything, except the resolution of the whole matter, as you need a vote?
Only like 3 of us are awake right now. So yes, the vote will take time.
For the record, I’m voting yes, unlock it. Tbh I didn’t even think it should’ve been a vote, but the opinions were mixed, so…As I’m typing this, we got somewhat of a greenlight to unlock it in spite of the tied vote. So…there lol.
As I’m typing this, we got somewhat of a greenlight to unlock it in spite of the tied vote. So…there lol.
Good news!
Not Relevant, I can’t believe it. How is that proper Moderation? That PTB didn’t realize that the community they was the self-proclaimed head-honcho would dislike this shit move. By locking the original community they cemented their position as shittiest mod of all time.
There’s another matter too.
Saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad, threads, or hexbear account.
Last time that I checked this crap, I was busy criticising Hexbear, because HB was clearly trying to boss Blåhaj around on how it should manage its own instance.
However, both sides are in the wrong here, and Moss isn’t exactly blameless - why are they enforcing rules differently for users based on instance? Handling other instances is up to the admins, not community mods.
(The same applies to Threads.)
I just don’t get why they don’t unlock it.
how can they still be in power when the original exist. That’s my guess why they don’t want to unlock it.
That’s just pure power tripping.
!android@lemdro.id tried that back in the days locking !android@lemmy.world to channel all users to their community.
Needless to say, the uproar was huge.
Bc Ada does not want to be accused of being a PTB. However, if someone were to wait a couple of weeks, then make a poll asking the members of the community what they wanted, then perhaps she would acquiesce to the owners’ (note the plural, I mean the community MEMBERS) desires?
Can someone give me a rundown of what happened? I don’t understand and I would like some context, please.
Thank you. That helps a lot. It answers some of my additional questions.
No offense, but I read through that and I still feel like I missed a lot. I have an example of sort of what happened but none of the history to understand it.
lol
