I have no idea which ideological problems people are talking about. I do know however that users are not cattle - you can ask them to migrate to another comm, you can lock a community down, but you cannot herd them to the comm that you want by saying “go there”. And trying to prevent users from going to whatever comm they want is a big arsehole move.
Even the removal reply is power-tripping (and dumb/disingenuous/shitty). “Not relevant”? Goddammit this is a 196 community, there’s no such thing as “not relevant”! Who are they trying to fool with that toilet entry?
I don’t follow that community but one theory seems to be that ultimately it might have been dragon fucker that broke it all apart - https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15732326.
Though the actions and words of the mods themselves tell the entire story all on its own really - they “own” the community, there is no need for a poll, they did not appreciate Ada’s “help” despite all the hardships they caused her by failing to attend to the modlog in a timely fashion (which due to its lack of filters is a legitimate hardship upon her), and basically they want the power that any instance admin (like spez) has, yet are completely unwilling to take any of the responsibilities that would come with it.
The comment that you linked hints that the mod was already considering the migration for quite a while; so if the dragon rider event had any role, it was like a drop of water in the ocean.
If I had to take a guess it’s all about the admins keeping a closer control over the community than the mod in question wants to see. So far, so good, if she wants to mod a LW comm instead it’s her own decision, but then relinquish control to the people who were clearly against the move.
That is an astute observation. Though I got from it more that it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back - like it was relevant, and may have been the thing that actually prompted the move, but it was neither necessary nor sufficient on its own, yet was still the thing that may have caused it. Like a fight within a couple that caused a divorce, though not existing without the context surrounding it, and still the breakup would have happened anyway just at a later date.
The real reason seems to be that the mods looked at what spez said and did and said “nice, when can I do that as well?” Given that… it’s only natural to never be satisfied no matter how much free stuff is thrown in one’s direction, always more must be sought, demanded, and even fought over. Perhaps it’s not enough to win and rather others must lose? Okay then, so they have “won”, and people have already moved on.
The reason why I don’t think that Dragon Rider is too relevant (not even as a last straw) is that, even if Moss strongly disagrees with how the admins handled that user, Blåhaj is still way more protected against trolls than Lemmy World would ever be. So it wouldn’t make sense to move the comm to LW.
Unless the issue is not how the admins handled it, but the fact that they handled it at all? LW has worse protection against trolls, but it gives the mods more control over their comms. That would fit well what you said in the second paragraph, and explain why drag was mentioned at all.
You ended up being right - well perhaps both of us actually but more you. The Drag scenario was mentioned as being specifically not a primary cause, though I still think it looks to be more like salt having been rubbed into an existing wound, so adding emotional force to a preexisting impetus.
And the details are more sparse but indeed the preexisting decision by LBZ to allow LGBTQIA+ tankies from lemmy.ml loomed heavy in the background without much being said about it directly (edit: the source for that thought is the comments in the related posts, not that I know anything about that directly). Though the promises by LW admins - despite that flying HEAVILY in the face of their recent announcement - seemed to have an enormous role.
PTB.
I have no idea which ideological problems people are talking about. I do know however that users are not cattle - you can ask them to migrate to another comm, you can lock a community down, but you cannot herd them to the comm that you want by saying “go there”. And trying to prevent users from going to whatever comm they want is a big arsehole move.
Even the removal reply is power-tripping (and dumb/disingenuous/shitty). “Not relevant”? Goddammit this is a 196 community, there’s no such thing as “not relevant”! Who are they trying to fool with that toilet entry?
No idea, but !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone is thriving
I don’t follow that community but one theory seems to be that ultimately it might have been dragon fucker that broke it all apart - https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15732326.
Though the actions and words of the mods themselves tell the entire story all on its own really - they “own” the community, there is no need for a poll, they did not appreciate Ada’s “help” despite all the hardships they caused her by failing to attend to the modlog in a timely fashion (which due to its lack of filters is a legitimate hardship upon her), and basically they want the power that any instance admin (like spez) has, yet are completely unwilling to take any of the responsibilities that would come with it.
Oh well, the new community at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone seems to be moving along supremely well without those mods already…
The comment that you linked hints that the mod was already considering the migration for quite a while; so if the dragon rider event had any role, it was like a drop of water in the ocean.
If I had to take a guess it’s all about the admins keeping a closer control over the community than the mod in question wants to see. So far, so good, if she wants to mod a LW comm instead it’s her own decision, but then relinquish control to the people who were clearly against the move.
That is an astute observation. Though I got from it more that it was the last straw that broke the camel’s back - like it was relevant, and may have been the thing that actually prompted the move, but it was neither necessary nor sufficient on its own, yet was still the thing that may have caused it. Like a fight within a couple that caused a divorce, though not existing without the context surrounding it, and still the breakup would have happened anyway just at a later date.
The real reason seems to be that the mods looked at what spez said and did and said “nice, when can I do that as well?” Given that… it’s only natural to never be satisfied no matter how much free stuff is thrown in one’s direction, always more must be sought, demanded, and even fought over. Perhaps it’s not enough to win and rather others must lose? Okay then, so they have “won”, and people have already moved on.
The reason why I don’t think that Dragon Rider is too relevant (not even as a last straw) is that, even if Moss strongly disagrees with how the admins handled that user, Blåhaj is still way more protected against trolls than Lemmy World would ever be. So it wouldn’t make sense to move the comm to LW.
Unless the issue is not how the admins handled it, but the fact that they handled it at all? LW has worse protection against trolls, but it gives the mods more control over their comms. That would fit well what you said in the second paragraph, and explain why drag was mentioned at all.
You ended up being right - well perhaps both of us actually but more you. The Drag scenario was mentioned as being specifically not a primary cause, though I still think it looks to be more like salt having been rubbed into an existing wound, so adding emotional force to a preexisting impetus.
And the details are more sparse but indeed the preexisting decision by LBZ to allow LGBTQIA+ tankies from lemmy.ml loomed heavy in the background without much being said about it directly (edit: the source for that thought is the comments in the related posts, not that I know anything about that directly). Though the promises by LW admins - despite that flying HEAVILY in the face of their recent announcement - seemed to have an enormous role.
I am speaking of this latest post by the mods: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20976989.