• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    Between Israel and Ukraine, there are a lot of leftists out there who were just plain wrong in their assumption that Trump’s election would make matters worse for both.

    We’ll see if these changes hold, but from where we’re all sitting, there’s been more progress on international initiatives in two days in the in the last four years.

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      I mean, we do have a previous example of a Donald Trump presidency. So it’s not that unreasonable to anticipate that he will sow chaos on the international scene, given that that’s exactly what happened last time. Unlike pretty much every ‘new’ president (i.e. not an incumbent returning to office immediately after a 4 year term), he’s a known quantity.

      Edited for clarity.

      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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        shrugs

        Could not care less, and I’m guessing the Palestinians won’t either when the ceasefire begins.

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      Wat? Nothing has actually happened. There have been headlines about a cease fire, that have already been contradicted by Netanyahu himself, and this is just talk with no substance currently. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

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        Better than listening to what we’ve heard for the past 15 months: pretend remorse while the US government keeps handing over WMD’s to a genocide.

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      Oh really? What progress?

      Seriously. What the fuck are you talking about?

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        Specifically referring to the coming ceasefire in Israel, but there’s been reporting on a path to peace in the Ukraine/Russia war too, which I’m glad to hear about.

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          It’s a ceasefire in Gaza in return for more of the West Bank and the option to go back to Gaza whenever they want.

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            I have no doubt that this isn’t an altruistic move, but it’s better than what’s happening right now. Genocide Joe gave Israel carte blanche to slaughter people.

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              Which they still have, this is just for optics and enables the right wing faction that’s blocking the ceasefire to further their goals in the erasure of all Palestine.

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                Yup, for a few more days, because Joe’s still president, and the most consistent aspect of his presidency was his delight in bloodying his hands.

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                  What? They wouldn’t be agreeing to it if it weren’t better for Israel. Adelson bought the West Bank off Trump for $100m

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          Natanyaho already withdrew from the deal. I still way for the us to completely stop giving aids and weapons to israel