Can we perhaps not quote the Kim family for a sane discussion about communism?
Or are you suggesting dictatorships is something that communism always leads to? Considering the history of communism around the world, it’s a valid argument.
The problem with discussions concerning the DPRK largely stem from the “Defector Industry,” where North Koreans either defect (or in some cases are kidnapped) and then held in internment camps for around 6 months, before being released. These defectors are paid very highly for reporting heart-wrenching stories, which can be neither confirmed nor denied, which leads to “celebrity defectors” that spin tales.
As for Kim Il-Sung, we do know a good deal about him because Korea was not isolationist during his major years of relevancy. When the United States dropped more tons of bombs on Korea than the entire Pacific Front of World War II and committed genocide against the North, he managed to successfully fight to a standstill. Earlier than that, he was beloved across the entirety of Korea for leading the fight against the Japanese Imperialists that had brutally occupied Korea for decades at that point, opinion shifted when the United States got involved and enforced the 38th parallel.
Overall, Kim Il-Sung should at least be studied as an example of a successful national liberator from Colonialism, even if we have very little to trust about what’s actually going on in the modern DPRK due to its hermit nature and the massive misinformation campaign surrounding it.
There’s a giant black hole in the satellite photos of the region at night that tells me with absolute certainty that no massive misinformation campaign is going on. And the number of quality ot the reports coming out of North Korea all point towards exactly what the media reports.
If you truly believe the DPKR isn’t exactly what everybody says it is, you’re not going to convince many people you’re not a bit of a crackpot.
The DPRK had 80% of its buildings destroyed in US bombing runs, but they are rebuilding. The fact that they aren’t fully rebuilt yet doesn’t mean there isn’t a well-documented misinformation campaign, watch the documentary I linked. Heck, read the Wikipedia Page for Media Coverage of the DPRK, it backs me up:
Despite North Korea being a “black box” to outsiders, strong interest in the Kim family, as well as misunderstandings of Korean culture, have also led to inaccurate reporting. In the absence of solid evidence, some media outlets turn to sensationalism, basing stories on rumors. Stereotypes, exaggerations, or caricaturing distort some media coverage of North Korea. There has been some media coverage based on hoaxes or satire.[2]
Where is this “quality reporting?” I don’t much care if conspiracy theorists refuse to believe Wikipedia, fact-based documentaries, and widespread consensus.
The Kim’s are communist whether you like it or not, and this quote is very much in line with the communist position on bourgeois democracy. Also, communism does, or at least is should, always lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is not a dictatorship in the traditional sense. It’s the “dictatorship” of the proletarian class, and if you think otherwise, then you clearly need to read more Marx and Lenin.
The Kim’s are communist whether you like it or not, and this quote is very much in line with the communist position on bourgeois democracy.
Yeah but… Who says something matters too, even though confusing the message and the messenger is a logical fallacy. Hitler was right about the dangers of smoking but you don’t often hear tobaccologists quote Hitler.
Can we perhaps not quote the Kim family for a sane discussion about communism?
Or are you suggesting dictatorships is something that communism always leads to? Considering the history of communism around the world, it’s a valid argument.
The problem with discussions concerning the DPRK largely stem from the “Defector Industry,” where North Koreans either defect (or in some cases are kidnapped) and then held in internment camps for around 6 months, before being released. These defectors are paid very highly for reporting heart-wrenching stories, which can be neither confirmed nor denied, which leads to “celebrity defectors” that spin tales.
A good documentary on the subject is Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul.
As for Kim Il-Sung, we do know a good deal about him because Korea was not isolationist during his major years of relevancy. When the United States dropped more tons of bombs on Korea than the entire Pacific Front of World War II and committed genocide against the North, he managed to successfully fight to a standstill. Earlier than that, he was beloved across the entirety of Korea for leading the fight against the Japanese Imperialists that had brutally occupied Korea for decades at that point, opinion shifted when the United States got involved and enforced the 38th parallel.
Overall, Kim Il-Sung should at least be studied as an example of a successful national liberator from Colonialism, even if we have very little to trust about what’s actually going on in the modern DPRK due to its hermit nature and the massive misinformation campaign surrounding it.
Sorry but I call BS.
There’s a giant black hole in the satellite photos of the region at night that tells me with absolute certainty that no massive misinformation campaign is going on. And the number of quality ot the reports coming out of North Korea all point towards exactly what the media reports.
If you truly believe the DPKR isn’t exactly what everybody says it is, you’re not going to convince many people you’re not a bit of a crackpot.
The DPRK had 80% of its buildings destroyed in US bombing runs, but they are rebuilding. The fact that they aren’t fully rebuilt yet doesn’t mean there isn’t a well-documented misinformation campaign, watch the documentary I linked. Heck, read the Wikipedia Page for Media Coverage of the DPRK, it backs me up:
Where is this “quality reporting?” I don’t much care if conspiracy theorists refuse to believe Wikipedia, fact-based documentaries, and widespread consensus.
@ExtremeDullard @protestation
The Kim’s are communist whether you like it or not, and this quote is very much in line with the communist position on bourgeois democracy. Also, communism does, or at least is should, always lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is not a dictatorship in the traditional sense. It’s the “dictatorship” of the proletarian class, and if you think otherwise, then you clearly need to read more Marx and Lenin.
Yeah but… Who says something matters too, even though confusing the message and the messenger is a logical fallacy. Hitler was right about the dangers of smoking but you don’t often hear tobaccologists quote Hitler.