• redline@lemmygrad.ml
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    4 days ago

    I will never forget/forgive what capital has done here

    For the generation I suspect is most represented here this must be analagous to an earlier cohort watching the iraq war trample overwhelming global public opinion in 2003

    to those who are feeling overwhelmed as I have often felt in the past year, please remember to take a step back when you need to, resilience is the name of the game in my view, self destruction in the face of disaster helps no one (when I say this I am also wrestling with myself, I don’t mean to say this is an easy thing)

    edit: please watch “No Other Land” when it becomes available to you and you feel up to it, it is about an Israeli and a Palestinian in a West Bank village called Massafer Yatta before Oct. 7 23, education is agitation & praxis

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      I just want to drop in a quick reminder that the majority of amerikkkans supported the iraq war when it started and only retroactively switch to opposing it. Dont let libs rewrite history they love doing that shit.

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        Ukraine feels more like the Iraq war vibe parallel to me: total media uniformity coming out of nowhere overnight and the average American frothing on queue before eventually beginning to get embarrassed years later when it became clear that “winning” didn’t look how they thought.

        I don’t really know of a modern parallel (besides maybe the obvious one) to Palestine where the entire US government committed to openly exterminating a captive population without even the pretense of popular national or international support. Just straight up “we’re going to do this no matter who you vote for, and if you don’t like it, your options are to ignore it, go to jail, or be killed.”

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      This is far and away worse than the Iraq situation because Iraq at least had a standing army and plenty of space to operate. Palestinians are orders of magnitude worse off at the start of this massacre.

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        I understand your point completely, it was simply not the focus of the point I was making in my comment

        however what you say bears repeating and I have nothing against that whatsoever

        edit: by analagous I was trying to refer simply to the parallels in global public condemnation, not any strict empirical comparison in defined terms

        the iraq war was a war of aggression involving a litany of further crimes against humanity

        what is happening in gaza is a genocide

        but I hope my comment can still be understood as I intended it

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          Totally, I don’t think you were diminishing anything. Just, having lived through both, this feels so much worse.

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            I was too young for the first and I truly believe that observing what is going on now is a catastrophe for my personal humanity and I hope I can live my life in such a way as to educate and agitate against the forces that facilitated this disgusting farce

            comrade, it pains me that you have had to witness both and I wish us and those who read this much resilience and strength going forward

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      All those “red lines” turned out to be an amateurish sales tactic. Disgraceful and unforgivable actions from beginning to end. Trump will be a horror, but Biden deserves a place in the hall of Presidential Monsters somewhere next to Jackson.