• davelA
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      After the 2014 US-backed coup, several eastern Ukrainian provinces declared independence from the Ukrainian state, which they saw as illegitimate, including Crimea. Crimea wasn’t invaded by Russia, it invited Russia. Which seems to have been the right move, in retrospect, because Crimea didn’t suffer almost a decade of fascist paramilitary attacks like their neighbors to the north.

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        even the Cato institute acknowledges the US was responsible for instigating the conflict.

        Am supposed to trust owner class funded rag on this issue?

        Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Saying that US is responsible for the war is disingenuous. 2022 invasion clearly exposed Russian geopolitical posture vis-a-vis Ukraine.

        Only brain dead propagandist and poorly educated plebs still larping these clown theories. Tim Pool was confirmed paid by Russia for spreading this trash lol

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          If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value. It serves no purpose for them to lie about it. Who gives a fuck about Tim Pool? Check what Jeffrey Sacks has to say about it, what Ben Norton and Alan MacLeod have reported.

          Gringos suddenly mistrust US capitalist rags when they say uncomfortable stuff about the US but wholeheartedly buy whatever they say about Russia or China and whatever country isn’t full of whites.

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            If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value. It serves no purpose for them to lie about it.

            lol no. Even when they take credit they could be lying for some agenda we don’t know. You literally can’t believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. It is zero information.

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              The primary sources are listed right there. Unless you think leaked audios of the fucking ambassador talking about regime change among many other pieces of evidence don’t count because they’re inconvenient, it doesn’t matter who the fuck links them.

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                If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value

                Moving the goalposts

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                  Whether you do or you don’t is a matter of opinion. I’m engaging you at your level then, you don’t have to believe them, but the evidence is there, and that evidence certainly didn’t originate from them.

                  It’s clear y’all are just looking for excuses to not engage with the evidence.

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            Russia invaded Ukraine because US did a thing is a dilatory argument to justify Russia’s behavior.

            I don’t larp US regime propaganda anymore than I would larp Russian regime propaganda. You are larping Russian propaganda because some idiots in US supports it?

            I am not disputing that US likely did something but taking a position that Russia invaded Ukraine because of America is poorly educated take that dismiss 300 years of history between Russia and Ukraine and eastern Europe more broadly.

            Are you a useful idiot or a shill?

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              Do you even know what larping means? I’m not surprised you can’t digest the Ukraine situation when you can’t be bothered to look up what a word means, you just saw it used against tankies or whatever and now you can spam it willy nilly.