Iraq condemned the burning of a copy of the Koran in front of its embassy in Denmark on Monday and said Danish staff at the embassy in Baghdad had left the country after protests there, while Copenhagen said it had "not withdrawn from Iraq".
You never see edgelord atheists burning Bibles to trigger Christians - and the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it. But since Muslims have been designated as an “acceptable” target in the west, this shit is allowed - and the right-wingers know they can push people into accepting their agenda like this.
Just a week or two ago there was an article where another protester was planned to burn Bible in front of Israeli embassy to show a point.
There was a response from a Rabbi saying that he doesn’t approve it, that he also similarly doesn’t approve burning Koran, it serves no other purpose that to generate hate, but freedom of expression is also sacred and he won’t go against it.
You never see edgelord atheists burning Bibles to trigger Christians - and the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it.
Rather because we know we get away with it. Because most Christians don’t feel so entitled to expect others to live by their rules, and threaten them with death when they don’t.
These provocations make sense as long as the other side takes offense for so little, in such a violent way. It’s this encroaching and inacceptable attitude which makes resistance a necessity.
The article sheds no light on what the actual motives of these particular protesters are.
Because most Christians don’t feel so entitled to expect others to live by their rules, and threaten them with death when they don’t.
Ok come on, my friend. I know a bible burning won’t get you the death penalty, but many many many people have been killed and imprisoned for not living to Christian values, especially in the United States. It’s “just a few crazies” or whatever, but it really isn’t since these actions happen in an environment of indirect public support.
I see, I’m gonna make a low-ish effort post, but I’m happy to discuss further if you’d like:
Colonization still happens, but I think it matters that it happened in the past too. I would say that one of the most prominent recent examples would be the American invasion of Iraq. There are many political and economic aspects to the invasion, but one cultural angle is that it was widely supported by religious conservatives due to their opposition to Islam. American leadership was ghoulish in their own way, and to incompetent to actually colonize the country, but many of the literal footsoldiers joined the military to “get back at them for what they did to us”, although as we know, none of the 9-11 terrorists were Iraqi.
Another example that springs to mind is the ongoing homophobic and transphobic hate crimes. One specific example would be the Pulse nightclub mass shooting. I would suggest that most American Christians don’t support death for being gay, just the same as most American/Western Muslims don’t support death for burning the Quran, but in other countries where religion overlaps more with politics, both of these can be considered serious criminial offenses.
I only mean to suggest that both religions have a bit of bloodthirst in them, which doesn’t apply to everyone, but is certainly comparable. We can go deeper into the details, I just felt like you were giving Christians a bit of a pass that they don’t deserve.
That helps to understand where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation. While I see differences, I also see the similarities.
I only mean to suggest that both religions have a bit of bloodthirst in them, which doesn’t apply to everyone, but is certainly comparable. We can go deeper into the details, I just felt like you were giving Christians a bit of a pass that they don’t deserve.
Oh, definitely. Sorry if I gave the impression to have any good opinion about Christianity. I despise it wholeheartedly.
I only, and specifically, meant that the trouble you get for burning scripture is very different in Islam and Christianity. The latter probably has more blood on it’s hands overall, but that’s a different topic from my point of view. Also the overwhelming majority of both religions are decent, peaceful people.
They can believe what they want and live by their rules if they want. Just as others can disbelieve what they want and disrespect religious rules if they want. These rules have no power outside of their own bubble. It should be opt-in. At least it should be opt-out. But they must be optional.
You mean… except for that entire colonialism thing, huh?
These provocations make sense as long as the other side takes offense for so little
Go burn Bibles in public, then… we’ll see how long it takes the christo-fascists to show up at your door. Somehow, I don’t think you will.
The article sheds no light on what the actual motives of these particular protesters are.
Don’t have to… it’s very easy to tell what they are. And it seems plenty of people are willing to run interference for these nazis - as long as they can be aimed at Muslims, of course.
Not entirely sure what you meant with this short remark. I oppose colonialism for the same reason I oppose people who impose their belief on others. Because I support each and everyone’s human rights.
Go burn Bibles in public, then… we’ll see how long it takes the christo-fascists to show up at your door. Somehow, I don’t think you will.
Can you point me to any incident in the past where burnt bibles lead to angry mobs, setting buildings on fire or killing people? I’m not aware this exists. If that was a thing, I would fully support burning bibles, although I’m personally not.
willing to run interference for these nazis - as long as they can be aimed at Muslims
I understand your concern but I’m not in that camp, on the contrary. There are more sides to this story. There is a significant overlap between the reasons for me being antifascist and the reasons for opposing imposing beliefs.
I oppose colonialism for the same reason I oppose people who impose their belief on others.
And these nazis burning the Quran purely to strengthen the colonialist and white supremacist attitude of the west towards the middle-east and people of middle-eastern descent doesn’t qualify as “imposing their belief on others?”
Can you point me to any incident in the past where burnt bibles
No, I can’t… which is the whole point.
Christians aren’t acceptable “others” in the west, are they? But Muslims certainly are. So the nazis can’t get you on their side by burning Bibles, can they? But it’s an entirely different matter when it comes to those people who don’t “look like us,” isn’t it?
There are more sides to this story.
Yeah… I’d say you need to be checking which side you are falling on. You won’t like your bedmates.
the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it
What do you mean by “won’t get away with it”? Also the article doesn’t mention anything about atheism, only ‘anti-Muslim’, which are obviously two very different things.
I’m fairly certain the reason why you see less Bible burnings than Quran burnings in the west is because the west is predominantly Christian, so of course there would be less burning of the Bible, not because of the notion of some atheists of ‘getting away with it’.
so of course there would be less burning of the Bible,
There is absolutely no particular reason you should see Quran burnings in the west, either… that is, unless it’s the same old west demonizing the same old “other.”
not because of the notion of some atheists of ‘getting away with it’.
No, it’s a valid question - if this is (supposedly) about “freedom of speech” (which the Quran burners always pretend it’s all about), why don’t you see these vitriolic right-wing atheists (for which dipshits like Bill Maher is a spokesperson) test “freedom of speech” by burning Bibles? I mean… this is about “freedom of speech,” isn’t it?
You never see edgelord atheists burning Bibles to trigger Christians - and the reason they don’t is because they know they won’t get away with it. But since Muslims have been designated as an “acceptable” target in the west, this shit is allowed - and the right-wingers know they can push people into accepting their agenda like this.
Everyone can burn a bible if they want
So do it, then. Burn a bible. Make sure you do it in the open, too.
Just a week or two ago there was an article where another protester was planned to burn Bible in front of Israeli embassy to show a point.
There was a response from a Rabbi saying that he doesn’t approve it, that he also similarly doesn’t approve burning Koran, it serves no other purpose that to generate hate, but freedom of expression is also sacred and he won’t go against it.
Rather because we know we get away with it. Because most Christians don’t feel so entitled to expect others to live by their rules, and threaten them with death when they don’t.
These provocations make sense as long as the other side takes offense for so little, in such a violent way. It’s this encroaching and inacceptable attitude which makes resistance a necessity.
The article sheds no light on what the actual motives of these particular protesters are.
Ok come on, my friend. I know a bible burning won’t get you the death penalty, but many many many people have been killed and imprisoned for not living to Christian values, especially in the United States. It’s “just a few crazies” or whatever, but it really isn’t since these actions happen in an environment of indirect public support.
As an outsider, I may not be aware of what you mean.
If you’re hinting at colonization: Yes, definitely. But that is no longer practiced, or is it?
If you had recent or current events in mind: I’m not aware of those, please explain.
I see, I’m gonna make a low-ish effort post, but I’m happy to discuss further if you’d like:
I only mean to suggest that both religions have a bit of bloodthirst in them, which doesn’t apply to everyone, but is certainly comparable. We can go deeper into the details, I just felt like you were giving Christians a bit of a pass that they don’t deserve.
That helps to understand where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation. While I see differences, I also see the similarities.
Oh, definitely. Sorry if I gave the impression to have any good opinion about Christianity. I despise it wholeheartedly.
I only, and specifically, meant that the trouble you get for burning scripture is very different in Islam and Christianity. The latter probably has more blood on it’s hands overall, but that’s a different topic from my point of view. Also the overwhelming majority of both religions are decent, peaceful people.
They can believe what they want and live by their rules if they want. Just as others can disbelieve what they want and disrespect religious rules if they want. These rules have no power outside of their own bubble. It should be opt-in. At least it should be opt-out. But they must be optional.
You mean… except for that entire colonialism thing, huh?
Go burn Bibles in public, then… we’ll see how long it takes the christo-fascists to show up at your door. Somehow, I don’t think you will.
Don’t have to… it’s very easy to tell what they are. And it seems plenty of people are willing to run interference for these nazis - as long as they can be aimed at Muslims, of course.
Not entirely sure what you meant with this short remark. I oppose colonialism for the same reason I oppose people who impose their belief on others. Because I support each and everyone’s human rights.
Can you point me to any incident in the past where burnt bibles lead to angry mobs, setting buildings on fire or killing people? I’m not aware this exists. If that was a thing, I would fully support burning bibles, although I’m personally not.
I understand your concern but I’m not in that camp, on the contrary. There are more sides to this story. There is a significant overlap between the reasons for me being antifascist and the reasons for opposing imposing beliefs.
You could be right in this case, we don’t know.
And these nazis burning the Quran purely to strengthen the colonialist and white supremacist attitude of the west towards the middle-east and people of middle-eastern descent doesn’t qualify as “imposing their belief on others?”
No, I can’t… which is the whole point.
Christians aren’t acceptable “others” in the west, are they? But Muslims certainly are. So the nazis can’t get you on their side by burning Bibles, can they? But it’s an entirely different matter when it comes to those people who don’t “look like us,” isn’t it?
Yeah… I’d say you need to be checking which side you are falling on. You won’t like your bedmates.
What do you mean by “won’t get away with it”? Also the article doesn’t mention anything about atheism, only ‘anti-Muslim’, which are obviously two very different things. I’m fairly certain the reason why you see less Bible burnings than Quran burnings in the west is because the west is predominantly Christian, so of course there would be less burning of the Bible, not because of the notion of some atheists of ‘getting away with it’.
There is absolutely no particular reason you should see Quran burnings in the west, either… that is, unless it’s the same old west demonizing the same old “other.”
No, it’s a valid question - if this is (supposedly) about “freedom of speech” (which the Quran burners always pretend it’s all about), why don’t you see these vitriolic right-wing atheists (for which dipshits like Bill Maher is a spokesperson) test “freedom of speech” by burning Bibles? I mean… this is about “freedom of speech,” isn’t it?
I can take a dump on the bible and burn it in front of the vatican and there is a good chance that nothing bad will happen to me.