• Ivysaur [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        31·
        10 hours ago

        would you be willing to back this statement up by answering a question for me

        how many communists do you know that still care about covid? that still wear a mask everywhere? do tell.

          • Ivysaur [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            21·
            5 hours ago

            next you will call me a russian bot, you seem to be so fond of the liberal rhetoric. you can’t claim to be championing a cause for society’s lowest while participating in hegemonic behavior that directly causes their continued exclusion from all parts of life, unless it is not a part of your itinerary to begin with. engels called this social murder, and it’s what you do when you excuse this behavior. you hold contradictory ideas about covid risk, disability and working class organization and you do not want to reckon with them. does mao not tell us to ruthlessly criticize and correct incorrect behavior in our cadre? I see a whole lot of it in my time organizing in real life and am subject to plenty of bleating with similar tone to yours online. covid action (or inaction, as it were) is a working class matter, and it is a dire mistake to think and act otherwise, fundamental even. these are simple questions. why don’t you answer them?

          • amber (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
            31·
            8 hours ago

            It isn’t bait. I believe her point is that it’s easy for communists to claim to be against eugenics and ableism, but in practice many of us are failing to live up to our claims. The Covid pandemic and masking is brought up because it is a major example of this. It is an enormous threat particularly to disabled people, and yet in practice most of the left is, by virtue of their actions, siding with the ableists and the eugenicists. DeadlyBunny was revealing this as well, it’s all well and good if we say we are against ableism, but if we are using ableist language, then it shows a lack of solidarity that puts off the disabled people we should be working with. If we talk the talk, we gotta walk the walk, you know?

            And sure, maybe they should have reported those comments, but I mean, any of us could have and apparently none of us did. And rather than accept their accurate criticism of our behavior and reflect, they were spammed with downvotes and their criticisms were deflected. What does that say to our would-be disabled comrades? From my view, it says “shut up and get in line.” Who would stand side by side with people like that?

          • Prometheus_Unbound@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            31·
            8 hours ago

            You are in the modlog for equating mental illness with terrorism. A comment you made after what happened here in this thread. Proving the point of deadlybunny. It’s obvious you made those comments precisely to trivialize mental illness and in defiance (a form of baiting) of what the user said.

    • propter_hog [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      242·
      2 days ago

      Lemmygrad communists trivializing mental illness

      I’ve seen that on Hexbear, too, and I’m not convinced some feds or wreckers haven’t slipped through both sites’ filters. Don’t take something as gospel truth just because the author is one of ours.

    • knfrmity@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      20·
      2 days ago

      I feel like at least half of regular users on the 'grad are mentally ill and/or neurodivergent (as well as physically disabled). If anything we talk about our struggles and support each other through them, while also knowing that many of our day to day struggles exist only because of the way capitalist society treats those of us who aren’t physically or mentally capable of being as exploitable as a nominally “normal” person.

      Just because you’re excluded from the group of people who labour for a capitalist, for whatever reason, doesn’t mean you’re not part of the working class we want to empower.

    • amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml
      17·
      2 days ago

      I have seen plenty of times Lemmygrad communists trivializing mental illness.

      I’ve not seen such, but obviously could have missed it or interpreted differently, don’t read absolutely everything. In any case, communists are supposed to look out for the most marginalized or they are failing on a basic level of the ideology. And the most marginalized includes those with disabilities.

      My read of the meme is just that sometimes people have takes that box people into positions where, if they acted upon them literally and uncritically, would make it difficult to do anything as an ideology; and the takes can exploit the fact that people in “left” circles do tend to be empathetic and genuinely want to be doing the right thing and helping people. And some of it is probably a psyop some of the time, whether actual alphabet agencies or “I’m totally one of you for real” rightists.

      But there is also a certain amount of misinterpretation that goes on in it, I think. Sometimes a person who is “left” makes a point, such as about a certain use of language, so that people are more aware and will think about it, not as a prescriptive rule that you must follow at all times or you aren’t a real “leftist”. And then people will take it like it is a rule and say it’s impossible to follow that rule and dismiss the whole analysis behind it.

      Anyway, twitter is infamous for the “take that sounds like a psyop” thing. Though some of it may just be character limit woes, or people figuring that if they word something more provocatively, it will get attention.