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And will you just look at all the blood thirsty libs piling on this. Fighting to the last Ukrainian is the only way the west will accept this war ending.
Why settle for the best peace now when they can have a worse one later, with more casualties?
Are you two really naive enough to assume that Russia will respect a peace agreement?
Russia attacked several countries against international law, and Ukraine already had security guarantees from the US and UK following its voluntary surrender of their nuclear weapons.
International law and security guarantees meant fuck all when Russia invaded in 2014, and about as much in 2022.
Why do you think, Russia would respect agreements this time? They made their intentions very very clear.
It’s funny that you should be so suspicious of Russia respecting agreements.
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
That’s great and all, but how does any of that justify an invasion?
What you’re doing here is whataboutism. You don’t address the actual problem, instead you’re derailing the discussion.
You have no idea what whataboutism is. You said Russia doesn’t respect agreements. The evidence is that the agreements you’re talking about were either violated by the West or were adopted by the West in bad faith explicitly to undermine Russian security.
You can’t really be so naive as to think that Russia should continue to appease the West after 60 years of the US and Western Europe materially supporting Nazis and fascists, building over 600 military bases in 80 countries encircling Russia and China, claiming to only engage in defensive war when invading and razing dozens of countries, assassinating people all over the world, engaging in illegal collective punishment regimes all over the world, and constantly withdrawing unilaterally from security treaties designed to maintain MAD, human rights, and international security.
You gotta stop reading US and UK news rags when they talk about their opponents. They lie.
