Thousands are marching against a bill they believe undermines the Treaty of Waitangi and limits Maori rights.
  • anon6789@lemmy.world
    141·
    1 month ago

    As someone who basically knows nothing about this but what is in the article, the Maori sound like they have the right idea to me.

    The Maori version of the original treaty seems very generous and would make sense to most people how it was written. How anyone would believe the British version was legitimate unless it was signed under coercion or misrepresentation makes zero sense.

    Despite the bill being highly likely to fail, many believe that just by allowing the bill to be tabled in Parliament, the coalition government has ignited dangerous social division.

    That they are protesting even though the new bill is unlikely to pass seems very smart, given what is going on in other parts of the world and how manipulation by governments works in history. By entertaining it as any form of reasonable proposal, it gives it credence, no matter how small, and each time it is suggested, it will be normalized a bit more, and they will pick up another supporter here and there until they can pass it.

    • Rossphorus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      1 month ago

      Not many people know the history of the treaty. It basically was signed under duress. Prior to the meeting where it was signed all but one of the Maori tribal leaders were against signing the treaty, even the Maori version. What was said at the signing was purposely never recorded, but considering the existential threat of the New Zealand Company (NZC) on the horizon (the primary reason a treaty was even being discussed), it is believed that the Maori leaders were basically given the choice of ‘sign this treaty and be a part of the British empire, or don’t and have no legal rights against the whims of the New Zealand Company’.

      The New Zealand Company was a private British company with the goal of obtaining as much land as possible at any cost, and the Maori would have had zero legal protections unless they were part of the British empire. Without a treaty the NZC would have been able to push out the Maori entirely with no repercussions. The British people who brought the treaty to the Maori leaders knew this was coming, and wanted to avoid it.

      Signing the treaty was a quick and dirty solution to the quickly approaching NZC and was responsible for preventing the worst of the damage, but it is a very flawed document. The translations were rushed, and vague. Basically everyone was against signing it, but they knew it was the least worst option available. It was never designed to be the core document underpinning a nation, merely a speed bump to stall the private annexation of New Zealand.

      • anon6789@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 month ago

        Thank you for taking the time to write that out for me. Between this and absGeekNZ’s reply to another person, I feel I really learned a lot.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      28·
      1 month ago

      No, but the article explains that it’s the Māori that have rights to New Zealand, having settled there in the 1300s. The colonial settlers signed the Treaty of Waitangi with the Māori, cementing Māori self-governance. Now Parliament is attempting to do away with the treaty in an attempt to exert control over the Māori, who are the rightful owners of New Zealand.

      • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
        11·
        1 month ago

        There is a lot more nuance than is explained or even hinted at in the article.

        There are a bunch of biased comments in the article.

        • It paints the Maori as a consistent group.
          • Before the arrival of the British and for a long time after, the Maori were similar to the Greek city states; alliances, wars, betrayals and friendships.
          • Their culture was just as fragmented.
        • It says in the article that Maori speak te Reo.
          • This is unfortunately not true, it is changing and there is more te Reo being spoken “in the wild”; but walking down the street, it is not often I hear te Reo being spoken.
          • te Reo is an amalgamation. The Maori were a diverse group, each had their own dialect, at some point in the recent past te Reo was “standardized”. There was a bunch of contention around some words that were pronounced and spelt differently by different Iwi.
        • The land grabs and persecution parts are true.
          • Some Iwi did a lot better than others.
          • Some Iwi didn’t sign the treaty at all.
          • Some tribes “sold” their land, when they thought differently.
        • The part about Te Pati Maori only holding 6 out of 123 seats is funny.
          • There are 7 Maori electorates, TPM won a bunch of these. Labour won some.
          • Every party has Moari MP’s, TPM is not the only Maori voice in parliament. Implying TPM is the only voice for Maori is demeaning. The Maori people are not a monolithic group; their politics is as varied as any other group.

        The main issue is that the two treaties, the English language version and the version written in “Maori” are not the same. Te Triti (the Maori version) grants rangatiratanga; or self determination to the Iwi; whilst the English version grants sovereignty to the crown. There are a bunch of other differences, but this is the main one.

        Contract law has the doctrine of Contra Proferentem; or against the drafter. Since the British crown wrote the treaties; as at the time there was no Maori written language; the interpretation of the contract should be read as to benefit the non-drafting party, in this case Te Triti should be taken as the “correct” one.

        Now to the issue with the proposed bill.

        • It sets out to “equalise” all peoples, which on the surface sounds really good. Why wouldn’t you want to treat people equally?
        • Under NZ law, all peoples are already equal!
        • There are specific carve outs, to allow for the closing of historic inequities suffered by Maori. The bill seeks to remove or reduce these.
        • There is also culture war bullshit, around dual names for government departments etc.
        • Treaty negotiations have been ongoing for decades at this point. They look set to continue for many decades to come. The ACT party wants this to stop.

        Some say that ACT are hiding their racism behind the guise of equality. My opinion is that they are not specifically being racist. ACT is the libertarian party here; I think this is a long game to transfer more power to the corporates and private sector. This kind of culture war crap is a great smoke screen to transfer more power away from the people.