Life must be so easy being binary and thinking, critique of one does not imply support of the other. Your party ran a piece of shit right-wing blue fascist who openly welcomed war criminals and you guys thought it was okay. We did not
classic blue maga behavior - any structural critique must be met with tribal-style ad hom: “yeah well you probably just support kang instead of kodos.”
This attitude perpetuates the Democratic ticket running terrible candidates who can’t inspire either voters or potential voters. You can settle for a poop sandwich on rye rather than a poop sandwich on John Deerst but some would prefer something actually nourishing.
Hate to break it to you, but the US elections ARE binary for as long as FPTP is the voting system nationwide. You want real change? advocate for things like RCV. I wouldn’t even vote for the DNC IF RCV was nationwide and third-parties actually stood a chance, I’m just being realistic.
As things stand now, you’re just demanding a fantasy. A pursuit that will now have blood on its hands because now instead of a “not really a fascist, just not as left as id like” president we have a full throat legit fascist.
Oh, fuck off with that. The fault ultimately lies with a party that thrust a candidate on us that primary voters flatly rejected in the 2020 primary, then ran a Republican lite campaign strategy when voters have been demanding change for decades.
The party did not “thrust a candidate on you”. The elected delegates chosen by the voters chose a nominee. As for Harris, she was chosen by the delegates because she was the VP. And she was the VP because she came in 2nd place behind Biden in the 2020 primary. The 2020 voters “demanded” Biden first, and “demanded” Harris 2nd. Unfortunately Bernie was not first or 2nd.
Elected delegates from a primary that most voters were never even aware of? Even Democrats who were aware knew full well that it was a pointless exercise. Can you even name another candidate than Biden?
You better go check your facts on the 2020 primary. She was only competitive for about one day after the debate where she went after Biden’s racism. She dropped out after reports that her staff imploded because of internal conflicts. This was almost two months before voting started! Oh, and Bernie actually did come in second.
Harris was chosen as VP because she was the establishment choice for President from the start. The establishment through a myriad of backroom deals (mostly brokered by Obama) got every establishment candidate to drop out the day before super Tuesday and endorse Biden who had been in last place of all the candidates still in the race. Biden payed for the help by putting Harris on the ticket. Bernie split the progressive votes with Warren (who quit campaigning but inexplicably refused to drop out) so Biden won.
Elected delegates from a primary that most voters were never even aware of?
How can anybody not know there is a primary held every 4 years?
This was almost two months before voting started! Oh, and Bernie actually did come in second.
Wow I checked and you are right. Bernie did come in 2nd in delegates! Harris was apparently 2nd in the polls but she did drop out before any of the primaries.
Still, the fact that Harris was the Vice President made her the obvious choice of the 2024 delegates after Biden dropped out.
Bernie split the progressive votes with Warren (who quit campaigning but inexplicably refused to drop out) so Biden won.
Warren not dropping out ticked me off too. But it wasn’t necessarily the reason Biden won. I think he got more than Sanders and Warren combined.
Does any of that sound like democracy to you?
After Biden dropped out, having the elected delegates chose the nominee sounded like the most democratic option and the only option in line with the DNC charter. You had a better option?
How can anybody not know there is a primary held every 4 years?
Trump just won the popular vote. How well informed do you think the American public is? Why were there no debates?
Harris was apparently 2nd in the poll
In one poll for one day. As I said,she got some attention when she attacked Biden on race, then interest in her plummeted just as quickly.
Still, the fact that Harris was the Vice President made her the obvious choice of the 2024
Which is why a lot of people, including myself, were pissed off that they stuck her in the VP slot after voters rejected her. The obvious choice is someone who wins a primary. It’s Biden’s fault we didn’t get that chance, and it’s establishment scheming that put him in that position.
Warren not dropping out ticked me off too. But it wasn’t necessarily the reason Biden won. I think he got more than Sanders and Warren combined.
Final vote tallies are pointless in primaries. The press started treating Biden as the winner before half the country had even voted, and Bernie dropped out soon after. For the last two months, Biden was the only candidate in the race. (Though I believe Bernie won at least one state after dropping out.)
After Biden dropped out, having the elected delegates chose the nominee sounded like the most democratic option and the only option in line with the DNC charter.
I never claimed there was another way to choose at that point. However, Pelosi claimed that she expected a primary after getting Biden to drop, but that crashed when Biden immediately endorsed Harris.
The point I made was that Kamala was a choice of the establishment, not voters. Therefore, the fault is theirs. They did force her on us.
Why do you guys pretend to understand the electoral college in one breath and in the other assume every critic of the Democratic party lives in NC, GA, PA, MI, etc.?
My vote would have literally been more wasted voting for Kamala in a deep red state. At least a third party vote could get your party to notice something.
The vast majority of Americans do not live in swing states.
Oh, you mean the ones who have never won a presidential election in the entire modern history of the US and has become nothing but pawns for the 2 established parties to harm the other e.g. Jill Stein, Russian asset?
Those third-party candidates?
“A non-vote or vote for a third-party is a vote for Trump”
If you are so concerned with 3rd parties splitting the vote, then you should be equally upset with the first Past The Post voting system that most states use.
I hope you stop by my asklemmy post to further discuss your new commitment to passing electoral reform in your state.
Ah so you ARE a Trump supporter. Got it.
Life must be so easy being binary and thinking, critique of one does not imply support of the other. Your party ran a piece of shit right-wing blue fascist who openly welcomed war criminals and you guys thought it was okay. We did not
LMAO Just more projection from a MAGA Trump supporter
classic blue maga behavior - any structural critique must be met with tribal-style ad hom: “yeah well you probably just support kang instead of kodos.”
So cringe
I agree
Critique was due in any other election year without an actual literal fascist on the Republican ticket.
bLuEMaGA screechers=Projections from Trump supporters
This attitude perpetuates the Democratic ticket running terrible candidates who can’t inspire either voters or potential voters. You can settle for a poop sandwich on rye rather than a poop sandwich on John Deerst but some would prefer something actually nourishing.
Thank you for the demonstration
Like I said, binary thinking
Hate to break it to you, but the US elections ARE binary for as long as FPTP is the voting system nationwide. You want real change? advocate for things like RCV. I wouldn’t even vote for the DNC IF RCV was nationwide and third-parties actually stood a chance, I’m just being realistic.
As things stand now, you’re just demanding a fantasy. A pursuit that will now have blood on its hands because now instead of a “not really a fascist, just not as left as id like” president we have a full throat legit fascist.
Now you have every decision that Trump makes on your conscious.
Oh, fuck off with that. The fault ultimately lies with a party that thrust a candidate on us that primary voters flatly rejected in the 2020 primary, then ran a Republican lite campaign strategy when voters have been demanding change for decades.
The party did not “thrust a candidate on you”. The elected delegates chosen by the voters chose a nominee. As for Harris, she was chosen by the delegates because she was the VP. And she was the VP because she came in 2nd place behind Biden in the 2020 primary. The 2020 voters “demanded” Biden first, and “demanded” Harris 2nd. Unfortunately Bernie was not first or 2nd.
Elected delegates from a primary that most voters were never even aware of? Even Democrats who were aware knew full well that it was a pointless exercise. Can you even name another candidate than Biden?
You better go check your facts on the 2020 primary. She was only competitive for about one day after the debate where she went after Biden’s racism. She dropped out after reports that her staff imploded because of internal conflicts. This was almost two months before voting started! Oh, and Bernie actually did come in second.
Harris was chosen as VP because she was the establishment choice for President from the start. The establishment through a myriad of backroom deals (mostly brokered by Obama) got every establishment candidate to drop out the day before super Tuesday and endorse Biden who had been in last place of all the candidates still in the race. Biden payed for the help by putting Harris on the ticket. Bernie split the progressive votes with Warren (who quit campaigning but inexplicably refused to drop out) so Biden won.
Does any of that sound like democracy to you?
How can anybody not know there is a primary held every 4 years?
Wow I checked and you are right. Bernie did come in 2nd in delegates! Harris was apparently 2nd in the polls but she did drop out before any of the primaries.
Still, the fact that Harris was the Vice President made her the obvious choice of the 2024 delegates after Biden dropped out.
Warren not dropping out ticked me off too. But it wasn’t necessarily the reason Biden won. I think he got more than Sanders and Warren combined.
After Biden dropped out, having the elected delegates chose the nominee sounded like the most democratic option and the only option in line with the DNC charter. You had a better option?
Trump just won the popular vote. How well informed do you think the American public is? Why were there no debates?
In one poll for one day. As I said,she got some attention when she attacked Biden on race, then interest in her plummeted just as quickly.
Which is why a lot of people, including myself, were pissed off that they stuck her in the VP slot after voters rejected her. The obvious choice is someone who wins a primary. It’s Biden’s fault we didn’t get that chance, and it’s establishment scheming that put him in that position.
Final vote tallies are pointless in primaries. The press started treating Biden as the winner before half the country had even voted, and Bernie dropped out soon after. For the last two months, Biden was the only candidate in the race. (Though I believe Bernie won at least one state after dropping out.)
I never claimed there was another way to choose at that point. However, Pelosi claimed that she expected a primary after getting Biden to drop, but that crashed when Biden immediately endorsed Harris.
The point I made was that Kamala was a choice of the establishment, not voters. Therefore, the fault is theirs. They did force her on us.
My conscience is clear, I voted for no evil.
Neither did I vote for Donald Trainwreck. I voted D for democracy.
You realize it installing a candidate, forcing them on everybody without a choice is not democracy.
The 2024 US presidential election was a binary choice, because that’s how it works with first past the goalposts elections.
If you voted 3rd party, you voted for Trump.
Why do you guys pretend to understand the electoral college in one breath and in the other assume every critic of the Democratic party lives in NC, GA, PA, MI, etc.?
My vote would have literally been more wasted voting for Kamala in a deep red state. At least a third party vote could get your party to notice something.
The vast majority of Americans do not live in swing states.
“Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two pictures”
“They’re literally the same thing!!”
Third-party candidates?
Oh, you mean the ones who have never won a presidential election in the entire modern history of the US and has become nothing but pawns for the 2 established parties to harm the other e.g. Jill Stein, Russian asset?
Those third-party candidates?
“A non-vote or vote for a third-party is a vote for Trump”
So congrats MAGAt, your guy won!
If you are so concerned with 3rd parties splitting the vote, then you should be equally upset with the first Past The Post voting system that most states use.
I hope you stop by my asklemmy post to further discuss your new commitment to passing electoral reform in your state.