Democrats: “Vote for Harris if you want to save the country from Trump and the Republicans!” Also Democrats: “We need a strong Republican party and we love the Cheney’s!” The Left: “WTF is going on?”
She’s just trying to avoid Hillary’s deplorables comment. It’s true, of course, and you should absolutely cut those people from you life, but it was misconstrued and so could this.
Although, Kamala really wants a “Not all Republicans” message, so there’s that too. No use alienating those snowflakes so close to Election Day.
Would you cut out your own family members over voting choices?
As a queer person I don’t feel safe around people who support killing queer people. So obviously yes.
I haven’t yet, but I’m prepared to if he wins and they continue to support him as he starts doing the overtly fascist shit that he’s said he will do.
Not over John McCain or Mitt Romney, but over cunty fatson? Yeah obviously. No nazis is a pretty easy life rule to agree on.
Absolutely. These aren’t just “differences of opinion” as conservatives would pretend. Jews, gays and intellectuals didn’t just have “differences of opinion” with nazis in Weimar Germany.
Yes, absolutely, and I think anyone who says otherwise is a liar, given shitty enough candidates in an election
Yes
Tough question, but you spend though time online and you hear stories of abuse from Trump parents and people ghosting them. It’s not so much about the voting choices though, but who those people are— which of course is correlated.
That said, you shouldn’t think in absolutes. I certainly quarantine family to once-a-year if they’re terrible, if even that. It’s not as direct as making a pact to never see them, you just avoid unpleasant people. That just happens to be Trump supporters lately since he appeals to the worst kind of people, but before that it was my folks like my grandpa who called Obama the n word and kicked my dad out at 15.
That make sense?
Yeah, that makes sense in a normal, not batshit insane world. But I view this election as different, as we are talking about overt fascism being on the ballot (and the race is neck and neck).
When it comes to fighting against fascism, you must think in absolutes. This ideology is cancerous, and it must be completely eliminated in order to prevent the incalculable suffering and death that it promises.
Sorry if that hurts people’s feelings.
It really depends.
I’m in Australia so while I detest our conservative party leader (not presently prime minister but probably one day), he’s not really as abhorrent as Trump.
If someone very close to me who I care about quietly mentioned that they voted for someone as awful as Trump, that wouldn’t be immediate irrevocable dismissable from my “inner circle”, but it would certainly change how I thought of them.
Perhaps oddly, it would be a bit like someone saying they believed vaccines were harmful or that the earth is flat. They’re not stupid (necessarily), but there’s some complex and concerning psychological stuff going on.
Isn’t how somebody votes one of the only things you can ethically criticize someone for?
Like, people often treat their party like it’s part of their tribe, but it’s not like you’re born into it. It’s not the same thing as race, colour, creed, gender, orientation, or any other prohibited grounds.
Voting is exercising a choice. If you can’t criticize someone because of the choices they make, what can you criticize them for?
She literally just called Trump a fascist. But like, I guess supporting fascists is like just one of those “agree to disagree” matters that shouldn’t be held against someone? They can still be good people who just want mass deportations, military tribunals of political enemies, and for trans people to just cease to exist.
They can be garbage and still be governed fairly at the same time.
Just trying to avoid a basket of deplorables moment.
Jesus Christ lady you’re not getting maga votes, stop trying.
If she honestly believes that she’s an idiot, and if she doesn’t she’s way too comfortable with lying to the American people about important issues. The truth of the matter is that if a person has supported the Republican party in the last five decades they are dangerous garbage, and unless they’re willing to put in the work to recycle themselves into something more positive we need to contain them and have their toxicity diluted to the point where it can’t hurt anyone, just like we would with any other waste. Elected Dems ignoring this difficult but painfully obvious truth is why our politics have kept getting worse as the Republicans have gotten crazier and faced no consequences for it.
You have no idea how electoral politics works, do you? Of course it’s true, and of course she agrees with it.
I agree, but following with the “garbage” comment also feeds into the Republicans sense of somehow being both the greatest and the victims.
Their victim-games are theatrical manipulations and should be ignored completely. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. They are not capable of shame or remorse. If you are not with them, you are against them. Period.
Also, who gives a shit about the opinions or feelings of a fascist?
You can only achieve a fair and civil society through fairness and civility. That is what (most of) the democrats have been working on for the last 50 years.
It’s always tempting to think that you could “defeat” evil through violence, repression, suppression, and exclusion. Instead, you only become it.
edit: I really don’t mean to lecture here. I wrote this because I saw myself in the comment I replied to, and I needed to remind myself to be kind.
paradox of tolerance
you can only achieve a fair and civil society by removing those unwilling to keep the social contract
Everyone loves invoking the paradox of tolerance because it makes you sound smart and progressive.
Paradoxically, it’s most often used as an excuse to be intolerant of some group that you have arbitrarily branded as intolerant.
I hereby pronounce you intolerant, thereby according to the docterine of the paradox of tolerance you are forthwith stripped of your right to be tolerated.
As always, the problem is nuanced and you need to consider carefully the extent to which you’re willing to tolerate what level of intolerance under what circumstances.
Paradoxically, it’s most often used as an excuse to be intolerant of some group that you have arbitrarily branded as intolerant.
This just isn’t a thing.
I mean, our country was founded through a bunch of people getting really uncivil and violent. Sure, it still needed - and still needs - a lot of improvement to be fair for everyone who wasn’t part of the “in-group,” but the same could be said for most countries at the time ours was founded.
I certainly don’t believe that it’s necessary to be uncivil and violent to achieve a fair and civil society, but it has shown past success at ridding a country of leaders who don’t have the people’s best interests at heart.
The rest of Britain became democratic without violence. I’m not convinced that the revolution was necessary to throw off the oppressors. I think it was more about protecting the wealthy in the colonies.
They literally still have a monarchy
Again, it’s not necessary, but it did work. I hope we can resolve the issues in our country democratically, but I’m mentally preparing myself for the violence that will inevitably follow if that doesn’t work. If our country falls to fascism, it’ll take a real fight to get it back.
I don’t agree that it worked. Regular folk in the US have a modicum of rights now, none of which can be attributed to the revolution.
Correct - every government eventually welcomes corruption that needs to be flushed out, and if it gets too strong of a hold on the country, it may need to be forced out. When the US was founded, it was prosperous for the wealthy and non-wealthy alike, and continued to be prosperous for a while. There were ups and downs, but it slowly got worse for the common citizen as the wealthy used their power to influence the country in their favor over time. It came to a head about 100 years ago, and we were able to get through it nonviolently back then.
It’s happening again now, and we might be able to pull through democratically again, but we might not. 100 years ago there was much more of a sense of solidarity against the rich and powerful, but now that we live in a world with a much better understanding of human emotion and motivation, a huge percentage of the country has been thoroughly convinced to fight for their own exploitation by the wealthy. Pair that with all of the war going on right now that we’re more aware of than ever given the technology that globally connects us, and we’re a lot more divided than we were back then.
I hope that we don’t need violence to solve our current political issues - democracy has certainly worked before - but it’s always been the backup plan when civility doesn’t get the job done.
Their votes are garbage but not the people.
No the people who vote for Trump are garbage as well. Garbage all the way. I will vote for Harris; but disagree with her stance. I get why she did it but fuck Mega she not going win their votes. My Trumper neighbor just yesterday said only reason anyobe voting for her is because she is a N word woman.
Keep in mind he knows I support Harris and will vote for her tomorrow. He even asked if I was voting early. Isaid yes sir and for Harris. He is a racist, but he didn’t attack me for my decision so I got that going for me. What worries me is his wife works at the polling station.
I have huge fear that Trump going steal this election and he has enough support to do so. Lets fucking vote all for Harris make it so large a gap he can’t steal it.
No one is immune from propaganda. I see it as they’re being tricked, at least those that I know
If Harris wins you might want to lay low for awhile in case this guy does decide to attack someone.
Also, if Trump wins, he’ll eventually rile them up to harm anyone who didn’t support him. Fascism do be like that.
They are much worse than garbage. They are fascists. Which is essentially the worst thing you can be.
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Our country has a history of this leniency. The slavers who betrayed their country should have been hanged, at least the officers and politicians. Their property should have been used to compensate the freedmen.
The literal Nazis should have hanged in much greater numbers. The Japanese war criminals should have hanged. All these things have led to a worse present.
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