Cool, just have a couple quick questions you can maybe help me out with:
How exactly does a Harris loss benefit Palestine? Serious question. If she loses, Trump wins, and he is very vocally supportive of Israel. I get how this helps bolster a narrative, but how does this help Palestinians?
How is what you’re doing any different from using sympathy towards people suffering genocide to try to influence voters? Serious question. If leveraging the tragedy in Palestine to corral people to vote a certain way is bad, why are you doing it right now?
The Palestinians are fucked either way. Either the party that enabled the genocide will stay in power, or a party will take over that everyone agrees will be worse.
My stance on genocide will not change. There’s a good chance that the dems will use the genocide as a carrot to get voters to the polls, and then move the goalposts later. They’re leveraging genocide for political gain, I’m just against genocide.
Then you should be trying to prevent the guy who wants all the genocides from getting elected. But you’re not. Which is why no one believes you’re here in good faith.
I don’t care what others believe, they’re voting to support genocide. The only control I have in this situation is to not actively support those commiting genocide. Everything else is out of my control.
Your options are “Genocide, but might be talked into dialing it back if politically viable” vs “More genocide, for genocide’s sake”
All you achieve by not supporting the first is making the second more likely. If you think Bibi’s dictator-loving buddy is better for Gaza than the career politician doing career politician things during a close election, you are an enemy of Palestine.
After the election when AIPAC loses their leverage, Harris could come around. Trump will double down. I’m voting against doubling down, are you?
Genocide is going to happen regardless, the only option I see as viable is to not throw my support behind the parties pushing for it. Harris could come around, sure, but I’m not going to bet on it and I refuse to support it.
Then what should the politicians be punished for, the ones whose policy are enablng it? What about the weapons manufacturers who are building the missiles and bombs? What about the workers who are shipping the weapons, how should they be punished? How about the voters who elected those politicians? What are they punished for?
The genocide is unavoidable because the party that’s been endorsing it for the last year is going to stay in power, or a party that everyone says is worse is going to take over.
But no, punish me for realizing that and putting it into words, that makes perfect sense.
You do realize that “Palestine’s fucked anyway, it’s more important to impotently virtue signal that I’m upset about it than to do something which might actually help them in any way” is absolutely sociopathic take that cements you as an enemy of Palestine, right?
This is about voting for genocidal candidates, and has nothing to do with private donations or contributions to the Palestinians. I can donate to the cause to help them with food, water, and medical supplies and not vote for genocide.
Uh huh, which won’t matter much if Harris loses and Trump gives Bibi the all clear to nuke Gaza. If you actually cared, you’d consider the material conditions of others and the actual consequences of your vote. But the rational and compassionate choice feels icky, so you’d rather polish your halo while Bibi finishes the job.
Cool, just have a couple quick questions you can maybe help me out with:
How exactly does a Harris loss benefit Palestine? Serious question. If she loses, Trump wins, and he is very vocally supportive of Israel. I get how this helps bolster a narrative, but how does this help Palestinians?
How is what you’re doing any different from using sympathy towards people suffering genocide to try to influence voters? Serious question. If leveraging the tragedy in Palestine to corral people to vote a certain way is bad, why are you doing it right now?
I’ll respond when it’s convenient for me, but I appreciate your patience.
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Pay how exactly?
The Palestinians are fucked either way. Either the party that enabled the genocide will stay in power, or a party will take over that everyone agrees will be worse.
My stance on genocide will not change. There’s a good chance that the dems will use the genocide as a carrot to get voters to the polls, and then move the goalposts later. They’re leveraging genocide for political gain, I’m just against genocide.
Then you should be trying to prevent the guy who wants all the genocides from getting elected. But you’re not. Which is why no one believes you’re here in good faith.
I don’t care what others believe, they’re voting to support genocide. The only control I have in this situation is to not actively support those commiting genocide. Everything else is out of my control.
Your options are “Genocide, but might be talked into dialing it back if politically viable” vs “More genocide, for genocide’s sake”
All you achieve by not supporting the first is making the second more likely. If you think Bibi’s dictator-loving buddy is better for Gaza than the career politician doing career politician things during a close election, you are an enemy of Palestine.
After the election when AIPAC loses their leverage, Harris could come around. Trump will double down. I’m voting against doubling down, are you?
Genocide is going to happen regardless, the only option I see as viable is to not throw my support behind the parties pushing for it. Harris could come around, sure, but I’m not going to bet on it and I refuse to support it.
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Kinda like inciting a riot, but with genocide?
Then what should the politicians be punished for, the ones whose policy are enablng it? What about the weapons manufacturers who are building the missiles and bombs? What about the workers who are shipping the weapons, how should they be punished? How about the voters who elected those politicians? What are they punished for?
The genocide is unavoidable because the party that’s been endorsing it for the last year is going to stay in power, or a party that everyone says is worse is going to take over.
But no, punish me for realizing that and putting it into words, that makes perfect sense.
You do realize that “Palestine’s fucked anyway, it’s more important to impotently virtue signal that I’m upset about it than to do something which might actually help them in any way” is absolutely sociopathic take that cements you as an enemy of Palestine, right?
This is about voting for genocidal candidates, and has nothing to do with private donations or contributions to the Palestinians. I can donate to the cause to help them with food, water, and medical supplies and not vote for genocide.
Uh huh, which won’t matter much if Harris loses and Trump gives Bibi the all clear to nuke Gaza. If you actually cared, you’d consider the material conditions of others and the actual consequences of your vote. But the rational and compassionate choice feels icky, so you’d rather polish your halo while Bibi finishes the job.
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