• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    28 days ago

    Your options are “Genocide, but might be talked into dialing it back if politically viable” vs “More genocide, for genocide’s sake”

    All you achieve by not supporting the first is making the second more likely. If you think Bibi’s dictator-loving buddy is better for Gaza than the career politician doing career politician things during a close election, you are an enemy of Palestine.

    After the election when AIPAC loses their leverage, Harris could come around. Trump will double down. I’m voting against doubling down, are you?

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      28 days ago

      Genocide is going to happen regardless, the only option I see as viable is to not throw my support behind the parties pushing for it. Harris could come around, sure, but I’m not going to bet on it and I refuse to support it.

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          27 days ago

          Kinda like inciting a riot, but with genocide?

          Then what should the politicians be punished for, the ones whose policy are enablng it? What about the weapons manufacturers who are building the missiles and bombs? What about the workers who are shipping the weapons, how should they be punished? How about the voters who elected those politicians? What are they punished for?

          The genocide is unavoidable because the party that’s been endorsing it for the last year is going to stay in power, or a party that everyone says is worse is going to take over.

          But no, punish me for realizing that and putting it into words, that makes perfect sense.

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        28 days ago

        You do realize that “Palestine’s fucked anyway, it’s more important to impotently virtue signal that I’m upset about it than to do something which might actually help them in any way” is absolutely sociopathic take that cements you as an enemy of Palestine, right?

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          28 days ago

          This is about voting for genocidal candidates, and has nothing to do with private donations or contributions to the Palestinians. I can donate to the cause to help them with food, water, and medical supplies and not vote for genocide.

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            28 days ago

            Uh huh, which won’t matter much if Harris loses and Trump gives Bibi the all clear to nuke Gaza. If you actually cared, you’d consider the material conditions of others and the actual consequences of your vote. But the rational and compassionate choice feels icky, so you’d rather polish your halo while Bibi finishes the job.

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              28 days ago

              He’s finishing the job anyway, both Harris and Trump will continue support to Israel.

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                28 days ago

                Have you tried actually asking Palestinians what they want you to do to help them? Because it seems like you fell for pro-Trump astroturfing and have confused obstinance for morality.

                So read that letter and take the action they’re asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.

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                  28 days ago

                  So is donating money so they can get food, water, and medical supplies not helping them now? I don’t understand. Morality is definitely the issue here. It begins and ends on the very personal decision of not wanting to vote for genocide. Any relation to what the Trump campaign is doing is coincidental. The only thing I’m obstinate about is not throwing my support behind genocidists.

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                    28 days ago

                    And Palestinians are telling you that “not wanting to vote for genocide” will make their situation worse.

                    So, again, take the action they’re asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives. Because it sounds to me like you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.

                    Options are Genocide Lite with a chance of less genocide, and Genocide Xtra Strength with the certainly of additional genocide. Your refusal to vote Genocide Lite is tacit support for Genocide Xtra Strength. Which is the greater moral good, obstructing Genocide Xtra Strength, or helping Genocide Xtra Strength? Because no matter how loud you whistle while you polish that halo, your actions are helping Genocide Xtra Strength and you’ll have to carry that disgrace to the grave.