• oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz
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    1 year ago

    When someones dietary choice causes huge amounts of needless suffering and death to the victim (the innocent animal that was exploited and killed) then that’s not “fine”. That’s a serious injustice that should be pointed out (at the very least)

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      Wait, fish can eat other fish, but I can’t? How’s that fair?

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          Monsters, all of them. Someone should eat them, just to keep the others safe.

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        i know this may be a shock but fish haven’t reached the industrialization part of civilization yet. they do not have the capabilities to grow crops and harvest them and make dishes

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        Think about the argument you’re making here: “Wild animals do X, therefore humans should be allowed to do X”. I hope you understand how horrible this argument is. Here’s a fun little list of things animals do:

        • Eat their young
        • Grape
        • Murder each other for status or access to women
        • shit on the floor in public
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          That’s your take on my argument. I haven’t extended it beyond the ethics of meat eating.

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            Than why am I not allowed to eat other humans? They are made out of meat, too. And why do we not allow animals to eat humans?

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              We do actually allow animals to eat humans. There is no law anywhere that forbids a shark from eating a person.

              As for people eating people, it’s a cultural taboo, like putting your elbows on the dinner table.

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                Why do you think I was talking about the legal framework? We take active measures in stopping animals from eating humans. You could make an argument that we even punish animals when they do eat a human, granted we have a chance to do that. Bears, wolves and dogs are shot regularly, after they have attacked a human. Sharks also have been killed when it was thought that they actively prey on humans. We do not allow it.

                When you want to talk about laws it is considered murder to slaughter a person as feed for animals. It is also considered murder to kill a person to eat them. Murdering people is forbidden by law.

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                  I mean, animals take active steps to stop humans eating them too. We even have laws to protect species of animals that have killed humans. Tiger hunting, as an example, is illegal.

                  Honestly, we’re much nicer to animals than animals are to us or they are to other animals.

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                    I don’t see how the way animals treat humans or other animals is relevant for the discussion about the ethics of meat eating. They aren’t nice so we can kill them to eat their meat is certainly not an ethical argument.

                    Animals try to stop humans from eating them because they do not want to get hurt. Or, if you want to be more precise, hurting and frightening them is a stimulation that induces intense negative emotions in animals which leads them to defend themselves. That is to distinguish them from plants, which also defend themselves, but without having emotions in between. The negative emotions in between is what we call suffering. And even in the ethics of hedonism, less suffering is better.

                    We have laws to protect animals because most humans agree that animals are in a weaker position when compared to humans. They are very much at our mercy.

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          1 year ago

          Nothing like going to my local farm and eating their meat while watching a movie about how GOOD the meat I’m eating is because some other meat is so terrible.

          Thanks for the idea :) I’m gonna bring it up for the next local farm-to-table