Trump told Benjamin Netanyahu in one call this month, “Do what you have to do,” according to six people familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive and confidential information. Trump has said publicly that the two have spoken at least twice in October, with one call as recently as Oct. 19.
“He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was on a call this month with Trump and Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli operation that killed Hezbollah leaders with explosive batteries inside pagers. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done.”
Graham added: “He told them, do what you have to do to defend yourself, but we’re openly talking about a new Mideast. Trump understands that very much there has to be change with the corrupt Palestinian state.”
Another felony? It looks like this Trump guy is trying to get as many as possible.
When he was calling with Putin a month ago, I saw articles claiming that in America you’re not allowed to have diplomatic calls like this if you are not in a position to do so.
Hey, if I would discover that I’m immune to laws, I would also probably ignore a good deal of them
He won’t get charged with anything because DeCoRuM
I told my boss that i couldn’t stay overtime because i had to pick up my kids, no other option. He said do what you have to do and I’ll do what i have to do.
I left to take care of my kids and he wrote me up on disciplinary action.
“nO oNE wAnTs to WOrK aNYmoRe”
People quit bad management, not “bad jobs.”
Surely the tankies will take notice of fhis and… Ha, no. They still say Kamala supports genocide despite her being the only candidate pushing for peace.
They didn’t, this isn’t the first time the turnip has said something like this. Last time it was that Israel is going to slow.
Biden has made it clear that his support for Netanyahu is unconditional and his words about peace are empty. Harris has made it clear that her position regarding Gaza is identical to his.
Sigh, here they come!
Aww. People who don’t love genocide like you are all tankies.
We are literally in a thread where it’s reported that Trump plans to let Israel do whatever the fuck they want, and you still want to pretend that Harris is somehow the worse choice.
I didn’t say she was the worse choice. I voted for her already.
She should still change her stance on Netanyahu’s genocide. So should the entire pro-genocide centrist wing of the Democratic Party.
Then I suppose we are in agreement.
Not sure why you are in here calling people genocide lovers for pointing that out though.
“Harris should change her stance regarding Netanyahu’s genocide” maps 1:1 with trump support, as far as a lot of lemmy is concerned.
People are so invested in their support for genocide that they can’t imagine anyone opposing it in good faith.
You’re preaching into an echo chamber. If these (totally not bots) people can’t read the writing under their noses, they won’t be swayed by you. They’ll wait until it’s moot and then half-assedly say they were duped, à la, as we saw with Baby Boomers and Reagan.
They’ll just blame the left like they did when Clinton lost.
What you say makes sense if you don’t pay attention.
Cool. Where does she differ from Biden on the issue of Netanyahu’s genocide?
EDIT: Silly centrists, downvotes aren’t examples!
I didn’t realize the choice was Harris vs Biden.
Oh yeah, I didn’t know that because it isn’t true. The choice is Harris vs the guy that says Netanyahu should finish the job, criticized him purely for letting his genocidal actions make it to the media, thinks Biden is being too tough on him, and has been in constant contact as a private citizen deliberately undermining peace negotiations.
Harris losing means Bibi’s BFF wins. You’d have to be a pretty evil person with no sympathy for innocent Palestinians to want that to happen. Do you want that to happen?
My assertion was that Harris’ policy doesn’t differ from Biden’s.
Silly centrist, arguing against things I didn’t say because you can’t defend your support for genocide.
I voted for Harris. Keep arguing as though I haven’t just because I’m critical of the only policy centrists won’t abandon at the slightest pressure.
I think the use of the term “unconditional” is fairly reductive. While any US government may continue military support regardless of Israel’s behavior, some governments will be more effective than others in restraining Netanyahu or nesuring Gazan’s receive appropriate support.
I feel confident that neither Biden nor Harris are calling Netanyahu and saying “do what you have to do”.
So true, gut feeling has always been a more reliable barometer of facts than logic and reasoning.
Everyone raised around leaded gas knows that.
I think the use of the term “unconditional” is fairly reductive.
We have imposed no conditions. Would you prefer “enthusiastic”? Because it’s that too.
Actually we have imposed conditions.
They were bulldozed.
There were no consequences.
Unconditional is apt.
Sure, but you have to acknowledge that of Harris and Trump, one of them would be more unconditional and enthusiastic than the other right?
Already have, plenty of times.
But that doesn’t mean I don’t get to gripe, and it doesn’t mean that griping about it makes me a trumper.
It just looks like centrists just want people to fake happiness about being manipulated into voting for centrists’ genocide.
Ok, that’s precisely why “unconditional” is reductive. It reduces a spectrum of possibilities to a binary “conditional” vs “unconditional” and produces a “both sides are the same” argument.
it doesn’t mean that griping about it makes me a trumper.
Except, it really does though? Complaining about Harris is precisely what the republicans, trumpers, and Netanyahu want you to be doing.
You might not like Trump, but you absolutely are (apparently unwittingly) carrying a lot of water for him.
You don’t give a shit who gets elected, as long as no one says anything bad about literal fucking genocide.
When the election is over, what will your new excuse be for why no one can be upset about genocide?
So that’s illegal.
It’s like perjury.
It’s only illegal when a Dem does it.
But let’s shit on Harris anyway lol. Dumb fucks.
It was always astro turfers
Aren’t the pagers a war crime? Hiding explosives inside regular objects?
Yes.
But protest voting against Harris is the answer, don’t you see? It’s so obvious. Sure, more Palestinians will die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make, so I can be an edgy social-media radical! Do you even means of production, bro?
I’m still undecided.
Can I wait until I’m in a camp to cast my vote for the Hitler fan?
Additionally, and most interestingly:
A pro-Trump super PAC called Future Coalition PAC has been placing contradictory ads targeting Arab voters in Michigan and Jewish voters in Pennsylvania. The group’s digital ads in Michigan portray Harris as taking Israel’s side against pro-Palestinian protesters. In Pennsylvania, on the other hand, the group’s ads question her support for Israel and accuse her of “pandering to Palestine.”
Sorry not sorry, but the left got played like a fiddle by not understanding the more immediate existential threat to their survival, and now I’m afraid we’ll all suffer for it. Bibi put Biden in what he knew was an unwinnable situation where he had to choose between appealing to 3% of Michigan voters (Arab-Americans) and appealing to 3% of Pennsylvania voters (Jewish Americans), and now the left flank is turning toward Trump over it and he might win both states:
“Because the situation has escalated in recent weeks, I think a lot people say what’s the difference?” said Warren David, a third-generation Arab American who is president of Arab America, a digital media platform. “ I am shocked at how many people say they are voting for Trump, when we were talking to people on the streets in bakeries and in different places. Trump is really capitalizing on this.” David said he was approached by a Trump surrogate to appear at his conference in Michigan this weekend and said no. Others — including leaders from the “uncommitted” movement who urged votes against Biden in the Democratic primary race — are appearing, he said.
Heaven help us all.
It’s not too late for Harris to come out with a strong message of change in foreign policy towards Israel, if elected. All she has to do is promise that she’ll make sure international and US law is respected, and to contrast that with what Trump has told Bibi.
Yep, and risk losing Pennsylvania which is a statistical tie. Brilliant tactical move.
Breaking from Biden and supporting an Arms Embargo or Conditional Military Aid would be a major boost in voter output. Especially in swing states, including Pennsylvania, by a ratio of 7:1. Her lack of change from Biden is much more risky move in terms of losing Pennsylvania.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
Yeah I’ve seen those stats before. I can point to data and testimony, too:
https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2024-10-23/pennsylvania-jewish-voters-trump-israel-democrats
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/jewish-voters.html
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-825876
Her lack of change from Biden is much more risky move in terms of losing Pennsylvania.
I’ll note that none of your surveys asked voters how importantly they rate current levels antisemitism, or whether or not they’d vote for one candidate over another if Iran launched a military attack on Israel after we withdrew aid. Overall the questions in those surveys (I’ve read them) are perfect examples of framing choices in a systematic way to arrive at answers you want to hear. Are they wrong? Not necessarily? But do they capture the whole picture? Hardly.
And furthermore, the fact that the “uncommitted” folks (plus Jews and Arabs in both swing states) are stumping for Trump rather than just opting out completely proves that their primary concern is absolutely not the Palestinian people. When you turn away from the person calling for a ceasefire and toward Chief Muslim Ban when he tells Bibi, “Do what you have to do” for the “waterfront property”, you’ve proven your responses to those survey questions are carefully crafted, self-delusional poppycock.
And in any case, they’re about to enjoy the fruits of their labor. They might survive the Project 2025 purge, and their relatives might survive the turning of the sands of Gaza to glass (and then condominiums and casinos), but I doubt it. Y’all want Trump? You’re about to get him. Stay vigilant when they come for you.
Antisemitism is on the rise which is exactly why it’s important not to conflate Judaism with Zionism. That conflation stokes genuine Antisemitism which of course is completely unacceptable.
Conditional Military Aid is to ensure the weapons are not used for violations of international humanitarian law, such as genocide. It does not bar defensive weaponry that can defend from missle strikes. Israel’s escalations of genocide in Gaza, now extending the same tactics used to Lebanon, is directly increasing the likelihood of even more escalations. All of which put Israeli civilians at risk. Conditional Aid in order to force Israel to de-escalate, would make military strikes from Iran far less likely.
So shifting from Biden and supporting conditional military aid in order to pressure Israel to end the genocide and take a genuine permanent ceasefire seriously, would both help Harris’ chances of winning the election and improve the safety of Israelis in Israel.
Despite Trump’s horrendous track record, such as literally Hitlarian rhetoric, his support of actual Nazis, and his own antisemitic remarks, why is he gaining in support instead of Harris in respect to Gaza? It’s entirely because of Harris’ Campaign that has not deviated from Biden. People, especially people directly affected such having loved ones killed during this genocide, want a change. However Harris has not indicated any chance from the current Biden Administration on this issue. Trump successfully framed himself as a Dove and Hillary as a warmonger in 2016. He’s using that same tactic now. It would be a completely unsuccessful framing if Harris pivoted to Arms Embargo or Conditional Aid, but that has not happened.
I consider the blame to be entirely on the Democratic Administration and Harris’ Campaign Strategy. They have had every opportunity to change course, and them deciding not to may very well cost them the election. I will not blame anti-genocide voters, especially those who are directly affected and have lost loved ones. That said, I’m still voting for Harris, on the basis that change from public pressure is far more unlikely under Trump, and think everyone else should too.
It absolutely would be a brilliant tactical move to take a stance against Netanyahu in a serious manner. There are a lot of liberal voters who won’t participate in this election because they feel unrepresented.
Are these liberal voters correct to sit out the election? No they’re fucking idiots… but tempting them to vote would bring a lot more people to the voting booth than trying to capture more moderates.
Yep, and scare away Jews that are already drifting from the Dems because of antisemitism. Totes, good call.
beside being the right thing to do, the jewish voters in favour of israel’s genocide are voting for trump anyway. that’s why trump is making these kind of statements to appease them.
rn she is likely to go down as only candidate in our history to loose because she couldn’t stop supporting a genocide.
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
Don’t tell me. Tell the Jews who were interviewed for those articles.
No it wouldn’t.
Are you sure that the Jews there who support the continuation of the war aren’t already voting Trump? Cause if they are she might not lose it.
In all likelihood you’re probably right, but it all depends what the voting intentions are in and what proportion of the voters they comprise in each state.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html
https://www.jewishexponent.com/in-pennsylvania-the-jewish-vote-matters/
They are already wavering because of antisemitism. Kiss them all goodbye if we turn on Israel and potentially trigger more strikes by Iran.
Okay so they get to pressure Kamala with their votes but the Pro-Palestenian people can’t? Pretty hypocritical.
They can and do. And the others can and do. But now she either loses Pennsylvania or Michigan by pissing one of them off. Michigan has 15 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania 19.
Do the math.
Who do you think there are more of? Which group do you think has a stronger lobbying presence? I mean, seriously, do any of you actually understand how politics works in my country?
So the smaller group has to capitulate to the larger group every time? You think that’s how political power works? That’s not how the smaller group gets political power. It’s through using the leverage hrye have to force compromise from the larger group if they want to win. The same thing smaller parties do in coalition systems.
In order to stop the genocide we need to vote in the people who will destroy the country and commit even more genocide, in the hopes the wreckage of the country can be salvaged into something better. I’m comfortable making this choice, because the extra genocide will only be happening to other people, not to people like me who look just like them over here in the states.
I’ve actually heard on two occasions now from the ‘don’t vote for Kamala’ people that more genocide does not make things worse because you can’t get worse than what is happening now.
Which- yes you absolutely can.
(Then again, I saw someone a few days ago say that Israel is worse than the Nazis by the reasoning that the Nazis were orderly about their genocide.)
The absolutely trash argument I’ve gotten is usually… “Less genocide is still genocide.” and then them advocating for taking an action that’s likely to cause more genocide.
This is one topic where people taking a “principled stand” are just fucking idiots.
Yep. I’ve seen that one too. “Less genocide is still genocide.” Which implies that an additional two genocides of brown and queer people don’t deserve to be counted.
They don’t usually write it so literally, that’s rare. They usually just pretend than any amount of evil is equally evil.
It was rare. They’re getting more brazen because they are realizing the “vote third party but it doesn’t matter which candidate to teach them a lesson” concept isn’t especially compelling.
Of course Bibi supports him. They’re two sides of the same coin.
Trump will pull out some Marshmallows and roast them in the fires of their Burnt out towns. Vote against him for any kind of future.
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Netanyahu is working for Trump. Biden should stop working for Netanyahu.
Netanyahu is working for Trump
And yet here you are doing everything in your power to get him elected. Huh.
And here you are doing absolutely nothing but supporting Netanyahu’s genocide for the sheer love of it.
You know I voted for Harris.
