• covenuz@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Just wondering as a Mac user without much experience: how is Safari in terms of privacy compared to say Firefox?

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      1 year ago

      If a lack of privacy is like being nude in public, Apple is an expensive bouncer at an expensive club where you take your clothes off for free in front of people who pay apple a cover charge, because Apple promised them you have the biggest tits.

      It’s kinda flattering, but is it really privacy?

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      I don’t think u need to worry to much about ur browser when ur os is always sending info in the background.

      What info? god knows, but its concerning how it increased after apple introduced his plan to do some shady Facebook like business just after u guessed, blocking Facebook for doing the same without giving him his part of the cake.

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        when ur os is always sending info in the background.

        Flashback to the Windows 10 launch, when typing anything while the resource manager was open revealed a small spike in internet traffic.

        No clue what actually happened in the background, but it was consistent over multiple friends computers. Very fun.

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        1 year ago

        Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.

        You really believe that, don’t you?

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        Marketing angle, sure, but starting in 2019, Apple’s core MacOS product moved to selling users data to serve them better ads. They were only private for as long as they could attract new users with that. Now all they really have is “less privacy disrespecting than Windows 11 or ChromeOS”

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          1 year ago

          Eh, other vendors have been known to cooperative with police and government officials and hand over user data without a warrant - any evidence that’s been the case with Apple?

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            1 year ago

            https://privacyinternational.org/guide-step/4335/macos-opt-out-targeted-ads

            Look in the system preferences app. There’s a whole section for opting out of Apple collecting advertising data about you. That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

            Meanwhile, Apple’s application APIs set advertisements as a core feature:

            They may be letting you opt out for now, but this is an early phase of the enshittification cycle. First, they attracted users by promising privacy. Now they’re attracting advertisers by dangling in front of them an expanded user base. It won’t be long until Apple will make opting out more complicated and difficult because they think they can make more money selling more data to advertisers. They’ll do it slowly. Every time saying “they’re giving consumers more granular control over their privacy” when really they’re just “creating opt-outs for things you didn’t use to have to opt out of” or “creating opt-outs that used to be part of a larger opt out.” Someday will come “we’ve eliminated opt-outs” and eventually “here’s an advertising banner at the bottom of all default apps”

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              None of what you’re saying has to do with handing over user’s data to police and government officials without a warrant - every other smartphone OS vendor does it, except Apple, so I’ll continue to use their devices because they protect my data, and their products are well-made and integrate with each other well.

              Your slippery slope fallacy is funny, though. Sure, Apple is just as guilty as every of vendor of using it’s users data to enrich it’s services, but they still put UI/UX at the forefront compared to others - their design system is certainly better than Android’s material design. Google apps aren’t even designed with one-handed bottom screen mobile navigation. Apple’s modal-based system where each section’s last state is preserved and maintain’s it’s own back gesture timeline is far more intuitive than Android’s system-wide back-gesture, which throws the user all over the place.

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              That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

              Well, at least it’s apparently all in one place instead of being scattered into several different apps’ settings like with Android. Android has its Privacy Dashboard, but, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t begin to sufficiently cover privacy.

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      1 year ago

      You’re using an apple product, you didn’t have any privacy in the first place. Browser choice isn’t going to change that either way.

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      IMO much better. It’s Apple product. You give your data to them anyway while using macOS or iOS so that’s one argument: no need to share your data with anyone else.
      Apart of that they have built in tracking blockers and I think they fiddle with cookies because I get logged out from services more frequently than on other browsers that I use for web development.

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        1 year ago

        Wait… Your argument is "it’s good for privacy because you sent your telemetry already anyway?

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          I mean, it is a fair point that if you were worried about Safari’s privacy, you should’ve been worried about MacOS first.

          It’d be like being worried about privacy of IE on Windows. The OS is doing everything and more.