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While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.
And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.
The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:
“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”
She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.
She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.
“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.
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Why should she? Her party represents different interests to the Democratic party. In a fair and just democracy she should be allowed to run for office to represent that platform. If the Democrats have an issue with that, then they should adopt some of those policies. For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it’s apparently very popular. If the Democratic party stopped being pro-genocide then there would be less threat from Stein.
People really need to stop acting like the Green Party just came about in the last decade to spite the Democrats. If the Democrats had a decent platform they’d stop losing votes to them.
For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it’s apparently very popular.
it saddens me greatly that the question of genocide in this overton window is not whether or not genocide should exist; but instead the question is how much genocide is acceptable and the only incorrect answer is “zero”.
it makes me sadder still that social media is dominated by manufactured consent so thoroughly that pointing something like “genocide is bad” only brands you a radical; a malcontent; too idealistically optimistic; or simply ignored.
It’s because “the overton window” is liberal nonsense. Genocide has always been acceptable to the liberal ideological hegemony. It only ceases to be acceptable when it’s an enemy that does it.
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My point exactly
People really need to stop acting like the Green Party just came about in the last decade to spite the Democrats. If the Democrats had a decent platform they’d stop losing votes to them.
Deep down I think Liberals know this. That’s why they rage over it more every general election.
Addiitionally I find that Democrat supporters ignore the flipside of ridding the country of minor parties. The logic suggests that the Republican party would get an even larger boost of voters from the Libertarians. -That is if their reasoning were sound and applied universally.
Yeah in any other parliamentary system Trump would have formed his own party and random independents wouldn’t get anywhere near a major party’s presidential nomination. It would be completely locked down by party establishment figures. There would be a number of other conservative and fascist parties “splitting” the vote as well.
No one ever asked her to start, either.
Maybe not start but I’m sure there’re groups that have encouraged her to keep running over the years. Eyes picture of her at dinner with Putin, other Russians and Flynn who Trump pardoned. Though I’m sure there’re good reasons for her to be in that picture that aren’t shady…I expect a lottery win about the time they make sense.
I’m pretty sure plenty of people asked her to run as president, given she’s the most uncontroversial candidate from any party and is more qualified to be president than pretty much anyone else.
Arguments are easy when you just make shit up.
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The way you phrased that made it sound like political rhetoric and fears about the end of democracy are at least partially self serving to further the interests of one political party, and that the truth of their claims may be exaggerated. Now that we know you hate America, and are a dangerous threat to democracy if not outright treasonous, fascist, communist, and a bot also, who is paying you? Thanks in advance for responding.
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Of course, boy do i feel silly…
10/10 satire. Really felt like I was on reddit in 2016 when Dems and Republicans became one indistinguishable mass.
You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists
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There was a failed coup.
Even the assholes who brought us here are going ‘oh shit, this is bad, actually,’ and your dumb ass wants to pretend that means it’s all fine and good. Like if they walked over a bridge you’d jump off.
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I dunno about this shit I’m probably just voting PSL.
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What even is her endgame?
To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.
I know, but what is she getting out of it?
Attention. Whether or not you agree with her, getting paid to cruise around the country telling people what your political views are is a pretty sweet gig
cruise
It sounds soul-crushingly exhausting
Money and a chance for power, obviously.
The already successful medical doctor probably int doing it for money. She’d just run as a dem if she wanted money.AOC has 10x’d her net worth by grifting horny liberals that want to pretend they’re left wing.
It’s not even funny calling you people blue MAGA anymore. You’re not different enough to warrant the modifier.
Where has Jill Stein been for the past four years? Do you think this is what politics is? Disappearing from public view (only popping up to dine with autocrats), only to show up when it’s election time? Do you think this is how legitimate political parties operate?
Where has Jill Stein been for the past four years?
Where’s Kamala or Trump been? What’s your point?
Disappearing from public view (only popping up to dine with autocrats), only to show up when it’s election time? Do you think this is how legitimate political parties operate?
Absolutely deranged. “the news I read didn’t give something page space therefore it doesn’t exist”
Like I even give a shit about Stein and wasn’t just making an observation about how your brain is broken with Rachel Maddow conspiracy theories.
Literally, they were both out campaigning for their party’s candidates in elections in 2021, 22, and 23
Okay?
We are maybe talking past each other? You responded to a comment asking where Jill Stein was the last 4 years, which is a question attached to the argument that her lack of efforts in the off years is evidence that she is not running a serious candidacy. You responded by asking what about the two big party candidates offseason’s actions, implying that you believe their actions are deficient under a similar line of critique. I pointed out that they did campaign to increase the standing of their platform and their party through lower level elections in the off years, which seems like a pretty strong rebuttal to the implication that they are not actively working to promote their positions throughout government. Perhaps you can explain why you view that as irrelevant
I like BlueAnon, personally
Stein has already been cleared of colluding with Russia. Your image is ten years old.
The reason you might not be aware of this is the /Politics mods banning people who debunk it.
I dunno, I didn’t exactly see a ton of value in those posts.
You’re right, it was 2015, but as a simple layman I was aware of Russian meddling by the time this dinner happened. So if Jill and the Green party weren’t aware of how bad this would look, and how worthless an olive branch to Putin would be, then at the very least they’re too incompetent to be worth a vote. Unfortunately I did not know about this gaffe by the time of the election and even voted for Stein in that election, which I still regret.
No one is even talking about past collusion accusations. We are talking about right now.
It would be helpful to not leak a ten year old image in a seven year old article if there was evidence. Do present it.
If Stein was truly colluding with Russia the Democrats would have had a legal foot to bar her from running. And they would not need to make up crazy conspiracy theories which rely on censorship.
Everyone I don’t like is a Russian asset, the Democrat’s guide to political discussion
My take:
To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.
To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.
To oppose the highly organized far right.
No, I won’t vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.
To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.
This is not how you do this. You don’t disappear and pop up for a few months every four years. That is not how a legitimate political party operates.
She clearly does not give a shit about making the Green Party a legitimate alternative.
FYI the green party is now openly admitting that their goal is to prevent Kamala Harris from winning the presidency.
The election has already started. Absentee ballots have been sent. We need to catch up rapidly. We need everyone here to get active. We need to be clear about what our goals are. We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic, we could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.
https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html
GREEN = Getting Republicans Elected Every November
To beat the duopoly
To not have the kompromat that Putin is holding over her be released publicly?
This is an interesting take
I have no evidence to support it, besides her ties to the Kremlin that have already been widely reported on (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jill+stein+russia).
GREEN Party = Getting Republicans Elected Every November
I have no evidence to support it
WOW YOU DON’T SAY
WOW I DO SAY!! Literally, you even quoted me saying it…
It sure would be par for the course and explain QUITE a lot about Jill Stein and her behavior/comments regarding Putin, Russia, and Putin’s political enemies in the USA. Good thing I’m just a random person on the internet posting an opinion. Feel free to dismiss my opinion, and we’ll see what fraction of a percentage of the vote she receives in November lol
Lmao what are you doing right now? Puffing your chest out over a third party candidate not being viable?
The subject is your use of
Alex JonesRachel Maddow unhinged conspiracy theories to fill in the gaps between your horrible nazi ideology and your positive self image.P.S. if you don’t like Nazis, boy wait until you hear about this guy named Donald Trump and some of the things he has said. Something about immigrants poisoning the blood of our country… Hmm, sounds like someone both of us would want to prevent from getting into office, right?
Seriously, I’m going to need hear a good reason why I should throw my vote directly into the trash on a candidate that is going to receive less than 1% of the vote, instead of voting against a real fascist who publicly has taken the mask off.
😂
So, let’s hear your take on “What even is her endgame”?
Now is your opportunity to share your opinion, like I’ve shared mine, and we can discuss it instead of baselessly calling each other nazis. It’s tempting to just dismiss you as a propgandist the way you’ve dismissed me as a nazi (seriously???), but this is just toxic to discussion.
Its not puffing my chest lol just reality.
And what are YOU doing right now? Wanting to sway votes from a viable candidate to give them to a non-viable one for what reason, exactly? Hmm, gee, I wonder. Settle my wondering mind, and let me know your take!! I’ll wait.
I’m tired of hearing about Shit Stein every 4 years
oh heres a new name for my blocklist
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So contributing nothing, but feeling extra smug.
