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god, things like this always confuse me. like yes i’m a cis woman, but i use he/him/she/her or hy/hym pronouns when i can (read: online or dnd), crossdress 24/7, have visable facial hair, and honestly i’d go on testosterone if it were free. i was looking at binders recently (because i had them recommended as a heavy duty sports bra and also the silhouettes are just nicer) and the only reason i didn’t get one was that my measurements are weird. a lot of my mates keep saying that i should just become a man already and are “waiting for the gender drop” and new people assume i’m already transmasc or nb.
like despite the fact that i’m cis, i am apparently trans by a LOT of people’s definitions. idk how i feel about that. it feels like people are trying to limit what woman are and are not allowed to be. there is NOTHING wrong with women who look like me or go into my field or reject the beauty industry or crossdress or date women or anything else. there isn’t even anything “”“un-womanly”“” about us, we just don’t dignifiy the sexist society in which we live with a response.
but then again, the people who assume i’m trans or nb don’t think for a second that they’re reinforcing misogynistic ideas about womanhood, they’re just trying to be nice
so yeah. idk. i am not by defintion trans in the slightest, but in practice it always seems like i am. sorry if i invalidated the results by classing myself as cis instead of “???” lol. i guess theres a reason people treat butches as trans-adjacent
(BUT hexbear is one of the only place i’ve ever got the idea i can say any thing remotely like this and not get instantly clowned on, so shout out to our trans comrades for making a space thats also cool with miscellaneous freaks lol)
Did you read Stone Butch Blues or anything epse by Leslie Feinberg? You might get a kick out if it. Leslie Feinberg and them all had a much less stringent definition of transness than the one we seem to have developed all this time later, you just had to break out of or push the boundaries of the culturally defined hegemonic strict binary in some way - Feinberg counted butch lesbians as being under the umbrella of transgender or cis women who passed as men for safety/work, for example. If you don’t vibe with the label you don’t have to take it, it’s definitely changed meanings from that much wider umbrella.
Edit: lol everyone else suggested Stone Butch Blues already, sorry
I see your point 100%, and tbh reading Judith Butler’s work on gender and performance really helped me understand better what it means to be gender non-conforming in today’s world, ideas-wise at least.
There was a cis woman with a very full, luxurious beard who had a social media presence a while back and among other things she’d talk about what it was like being a woman with a beard and how that challenged and completely upended some people’s notions of gender and sex.
And this also makes me think of an interview I saw with an Afghani cis man who didn’t grow a beard and would wear a prosthetic beard to keep the Taliban fashion police off his back.
Folks do be policing gender, even when they’re informed and trying to be supportive and well meaning.
I think there are people in very similar circumstance who label themselves broadly as trans masc but also lots who don’t.
Second Stone Butch Blues if you didn’t already read that. Also coming to mind would be Ivan Coyote who is a great performer so youtube is recommended. I recall Hannah Gatsby mentioning a very similar experience in their ?second netflix special.
In terms of non-famous people, I feel that we all know people like this in our lives. There are lots of cis women who are non-conformists to femininity in many ways. It’s been deeply explored in sub-cultural spaces like by butch lesbians and radical feminsits, but also there are many heterosexual types who area doing their things without a lot of pomp.
Caution is warranted because it is also a way of leading into really vile anti-trans stuff of people way over-extrapolating from their own experience. Don’t get recruited into that. It’s a great position from which to be a trans ally.
It’s why the term “gender diverse” is used instead of trans, because it casts a much wider net. It acknowledges that people are existing in infinite varieties without being prescriptive.
I’ll check out your reccomendations, thank you. I swear I have a copy of Stone Butch Blues on a hard drive somewhere.
I know people have different styles of reading, but I think it’s a better read in paperback if you can scrounge up a library copy or something.
ia of course has it https://archive.org/details/stonebutchbluesn0000fein in their login-required zone
you could go back and change it to a maybe if you want to answer the rest of the questions. i do think its interesting you like hy/hym pronouns online only though, why is that? there are groups that can help you get on T, i could refer you to some. totally recommend reading Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg, its a story that touches on similar vibes, though giant cw though theres a lot of trauma in it
regardless, thats valid
A suggestion to post this in main or chapo and not traaaa? I’m sure we’re majority non-cis but I’m curious how much the comm choice skews the results. Or maybe a slimmer one for just demographic data and not feedback? idk
yeah i considered it but since this is tagged on the main site i dont think it skews it. i think the only way it could be possibly skewed is trans people on the fediverse not seeing the post on traa (because they are subbed to traa and see it there). it seemed like some of the posts in /c/den were bugging out, i was planning to post it there where its non-fediverse. maybe next time!
Ok. I did it. I enjoy these surveys. I’m weird like that.
I ended up chosing “other” for question #3 because of the whole politics around “binary trans woman” being a bit of a transmisogynistic dog whistle. it would have been weird to put myself down as binary but also put myself down as nonbinary since it is also kind of like that internally for me? especially when you’re a girl and also a doll. such are the complexities.
I think it would have been more useful to break it down as man/woman/third gender for that question instead of an ‘binary/nonbinary/third gender/etc’
Yeah I was trying to include genders by category (many genders can be described as a subsect of nonbinary or agender etc) in order to be as inclusive as possible
I respect that, but like to me being a woman is kind of the first and foremost important gender thing for me
Aside from this being easier to stack being anon instead of account linked this is fun. I suppose if you get a bunch of wreckers youll see when they responded and just just prune the data
I dont think this’ll be as neatly representative as doing it by hand, but also maybe itll account for lurkers (hey, we see you, join us, it is inevitable)
I cant wait to make another ‘are you a tankie?’ On lemmy.ml
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Done! Can’t wait to see
how many cissies get gulag’dthe results!Remember to respond even if your cis
Im gonna be mad if this isnt a ploy to identify and ban all cis users
big sister is watching you
us selecting binary non-binary agender and other because we are plural (it can be very confusing)
Putting in “women” for gender
lol i hadnt thought about how to pick bc we’re plural nation. not like my alters post tho so alas hehe
me checking both “Binary” and “Non-Binary” because I’m an enby but I’m also literally just a girl
I actually did exactly the same thing! I’m still figuring myself out tbh
valid
Literally me
Holy shit same though
this is the dialectic in motion
“Cis, he/him”
“thanks I think we are done here”
o-ok
put on the thigh highs if you want more questions
I really should get some thigh highs now that winter is approaching
Lmao I had no idea there were more questions.
Hath thou considered adding pronouns to engage with additional questions?
Wow, you think I will voluntarily put myself on the cis list to be marked for execution when Commiela steals the election?
I have prepared myself to be ex(cis)ed for the good of my trans comrades
They’ll put us all on high-speed trains straight to the forced feminisation camps!
Self-reporting cisness to the nearest political comissar is mandatory, failure to comply may be weighed against you.
Its ok man, i listed myself as cis in the last survey and nothing hap
So you didn’t notice eh?
Interesting.
yes, then you’ll be revived back up by juche necromancy, then executed again
It is Friday October 4th 2024 and Hexbear is purging me again.And then you’ll be revived again and realize how wise it is to be trans 🙌
Fuck it. Whatever helps me leave this pitiful existence faster. I’m super mega extra cis if that bumps me up in the list.
preview of how its going so far
146 of us are getting sent to the camps
They could simply transition and join us in the gender mines!
Can we each bring a commander deck?
fuck no. We’re playing the only real format: Pauper
we gotta get to crackin’ if we wanna flip that plurality
The crazy thing is that part of me always knew my whole life. But because there wasn’t a word for it I just saw it as something to suppress and ignore.
Same! And for me, “when did you start to transition” is a difficult question to answer. Because I started and then repressed it again, a few times before it finally stuck.
Totally. I’ve always felt somewhat of a gender non-conforming person, so I was never 100% performing my assigned gender at birth, but it was not until very recently where I found the resources and vocabulary for me to realize I’m not cis, so, to me the time line is backwards? Idk.
