Credit Andy Singer 2024

  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    fun fact.

    The US army gave people ammunition for free if it was used to kill bison for a period of time.

    Bison almost went extinct.

    Bison were a source of food for the natives.

    I love american history!

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      It’s kind of disingenuous.

      It portrays Orthodox Jewishness as being responsible for genocidal Zionism when Orthodox Jewishness has pretty much always been vehemently critical of both Zionism and the creation of Israel.

      The Jewish Zionists that perpetrated the Nakba looked no different than their fellow Europeans.

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          It’s a very important point, considering that the crux of all the white supremacist propaganda we’ve been fed about Israel rests on the idea that Israel (somehow) “represents” Jewishness… and I’d say this plays right into the hasbara’s hands.

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      2 months ago

      Beat me to it, great recommendation

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    I’ve met a guy who no shit said this to me as if it was a justification for Israel’s actions in Gaza.

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      Anyone mentioning the phrase “3000” years ago is saying it. The Zionist movement is less than 150 years old. The rest of that history is made up.

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    The notion of a “promised land” is a lie humans tell to themselves to monopolise the resources we all share with all living things.

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      It also doesn’t make much sense in the particular context considering on a genetic level Palestinians are as Semitic as modern Ashkenazi jews. And it doesn’t make much sense from a religious stand point because modern Judaism differs from ancient Judaism by about the same amount as Christianity or Islam does. Modern Judaism just has this dogma that Ancient Judaism was secretly observing their form of it even though if we don’t take them at their word there isn’t a lot of evidence of that.

      So from a religious standpoint it doesn’t make a lot of sense. And from an ethnic standpoint it makes even less sense.

      And also we don’t let Europeans say “these are our ethnic lands” without calling them racist. So then why would we let people who are like 2% ethnic ancient jewish retroactively claim ethnic ownership of some land without calling them racist? They will claim it’s not about race and about religion. Ok, which is worse, a group of highly militant ethno-nationalists, or a group of highly militant theo-nationalists? Zionists are always one of two bad things and they will use arguments to play wackamole about which one to deflect the claims of one. Apparently if you are two bad things at once and it is unclear if you are both or just one of those things you get unlimited license to be both of those bad things.

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    So, if they kill in the name of God, why aren’t we calling them “terrorists” by now like we do with any other religious group, i.e. muslims … or … mhhhm… or… wait… do we call anyone else terrorists, besides muslims?

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    This comic would have been just as effective–and less insulting–had they not included the explanation at the top; the graphic gets the point across just fine.

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    As someone who’s been referred to on here as a “Christian fundamentalist”, I struggle to see the theological justification for either of these events. Although I probably don’t have much to say in regards to these Jews as it’s a different religion, but I don’t understand why some Christians are obsessed with Israel and specifically these Jews having it.

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      Because the Christian apocalypse requires the foundation of Israel. The Christian side is basically participating in an apocalypse cult, whether they realize it or not.

      I speculate that the reason the GOP is so supportive of Trump is because they believe he’s the literal Antichrist and they think that getting him reelected will bring about the end of days. I don’t have the link on me (though someone else might), but I remember reading an article by a Christian scholar or something about how Trump nailed every possible prophecy about the Antichrist that he could, either in a literal or metaphorical sense, during his presidency. Now, I personally thought some of them were stretching it, but it was still a bit freaky and made me consider the possibility that the GOP actually believes something like that.

      The funny/sad part is that if they truly are correct (I highly doubt it, but ehhh…), then that means they’ll be fucked alongside Trump due to their support of him. As far as I can remember, the Bible doesn’t give amnesty to the Antichrist’s supporters just because they believed they were “helping god”; if anything I think I remember the Bible saying the opposite (don’t try and force God’s hand or you’ll eventually face his wrath).

      (No, I’m not a Christian, but I still find it fascinating and mildly concerning)

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      why some Christians are obsessed with Israel

      I’d say that Zionism is a Christian idea, but that would be false. It’s a “western” idea that orginated among English upper-class Christians that was utterly antisemitic - the idea that Jewish people will always be an “other” in the white, oops, I meant to say “western,” world and essentially “must go back where they came from.”

      Right-wing Jewish people picked up this idea from there. Zionism has never been an exclusively “Jewish” thing and it has always been fundamentally antisemitic - that’s why you can even see neo-nazis singing Israel’s praises.

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        That’s very interesting - I never thought of it as being anti-semetic, but it makes a bit of sense. As a Christian and from a theological standpoint, I don’t see how a bunch of people descended from the ones who rejected Jesus forming a new country which they call “Israel” should be interpreted as being the same as the Biblical Israel. For all they care, they see us as heretics. Why should we see them as different from the likes of Muslims, cultural (but not) christians, atheists, etc. (Also before you think I’m saying we should hate these groups, I’m not, I actually kind of mean the opposite). I believe the temple’s destruction in AD 70 and the construction of the Dome on the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque 600 year’s later is an intentional thing about the old covenant being gone. I just don’t see why “christian zionism” is even a thing when the Bible is interpreted as a whole.

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          Adi Callai, an Israeli, has a great video about how Zionism has weaponized antisemitism. He goes into the history in reference to Christianity at 29:01

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    The situation isn’t comparable. The majority of Jews in Israel are not European (or from anywhere else), they’re native Israeli and they trace their roots to Israel back for millennia.

    The problem is not that Israelis want to live there. They have a right to live there. The problem is that they’re depriving Palestinians of their right to live there instead of seeking peaceful coexistence.

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    This is dumb propaganda on so many levels. Zionism isn’t a religious movement. Israelis are not primarily white. This equation is just dumb af

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    Palestinians aren’t natives. they migrated at the same time as everyone else, 1 million people in 10 years.

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      Yep, it was the only habitable parcel of land in the world with zero inhabitants until 1832. Jewish people and Palestinians both saw this weird chunk of land and realized they could just move there since no one else was there.

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        that’s exactly what happened… 1 million Arabs migrated in less than 10 years. whatever population was there before them was completely out numbered by the Arabs. the migration was 30x the increase seen at the same time the “baby boomers” were booming. that’s 30x population count, not 30x the percentage.

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            and they were replaced by more Arabs, follow along:

            Arabs can be both a victim and a perpetrator amongst themselves.

            crazy right?

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              Or and this is nuts, but the Ottoman Empire was building up the area and urbanization was happening. Nobody got replaced, it was just more people moving in.

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                those are synonyms, or are we all pretending gentrification doesn’t exist again?