• enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        27·
        2 months ago

        (As per K&G youtube channel) I learned that when it comes to believe system, the Mongols believe that everyone worships the same god, Tengri, but in varied way in every culture/religion they encounter.

        They believe that as long as everyone submit themselves under the Mongol rule, it means they obey Tengri/Mongolian god.

        There are various religious communities inside the empire but they also don’t bother to do the worst thing possible to obliterate anyone who doesn’t submit to Mongol, regardless their believe.

        But I think in a smaller level it’s also not as simple/straightforward as that. Mongolian Shamans also known to have conflicts with the Khan. Sometimes the Khan kept asking the Shamans to do a ritual over and over again until the result aligns with the Khan’s desire. Or sometimes the Shaman (being a regarded class in their society) have their own political motive to do something against the Khan.

  • CherenkovBlue@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
    933·
    2 months ago

    Is this…Mongolian propaganda? Because the Kahns definitely did a whole lot of subjugating, raping and murdering. Not sure that really fits the “coexist” meme…

    • scbasteve7@lemm.eeEnglish
      731·
      2 months ago

      The meme format doesn’t really work, but the joke they’re trying to make is that even though they did all these terrible things, it was never because of religion. In fact, they just didn’t give a fuck in what you believed in. Genghis even allowed religious figures to be exempt from taxation.

      • leisesprecher@feddit.orgEnglish
        45·
        2 months ago

        And let’s be honest: the Mongolians were probably not worse than any other invader. War, destruction, looting and raping is kind of par for the course for most civilizations in history.

        • scbasteve7@lemm.eeEnglish
          402·
          2 months ago

          Honestly from the limited knowledge I have, Mongolians seemed to be the one of the chillest of invaders. They gave you a clear choice, let us rule you or die. And once they ruled you they allowed many freedoms that crusaders and colonizers didn’t. Their tactics were brutal and I think that’s why people see them as so evil.

  • Haagel@lemmings.worldEnglish
    864·
    2 months ago

    Modern Mongolia, perhaps. The Golden Horde of Genghis Khan was not so tolerant!

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      703·
      2 months ago

      Yes, they were. Genghis’ Mongols didn’t generally force religious change in the people who they subjugated.

      • seaQueue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        2 months ago

        Provided you paid your tribute and obeyed the Khan’s laws they were cool with just about everyone. Fail to do either of those things and you’re in for a bad time.

  • Sundial@lemm.eeEnglish
    43·
    2 months ago

    Genghis Khan: Are you good at killing and terrorizing my enemies? Yes? Ok, see those fuckers over there? Conquer them. I don’t care how. Burn it all down. Re-route an entire river. I just want them paying tribute.

  • TrousersMcPants@lemmy.worldEnglish
    35·
    2 months ago

    I find it interesting how the Mongolian empire has kind of taken a 180 in its historical image. Not long ago they were viewed as just cartoon villains that destroyed everything. But now you see so many people talking about some of the “good” aspects that it almost makes them seem strangely benevolent.

    The reality of course was that they were an empire, and like all empires they steamrolled and destroyed anything that stood in their way while taking advantage of anything that furthered their goals. They probably killed far more people than they helped if you asked anyone living through the time.

    Dan Carlin’s podcast, Hardcore History, has a series called Wrath of the Khans where he talks about this in length and it’s very interesting to think about.

    • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      2 months ago

      from my understanding , it’s a chain of

      You see that village over there? they resisted. we burnt everything , killed every man and child, and raped all the women.

      See the other village over there? they joined us, and we gave them access to goods from across the world, the latest technology and treat them better than their previous rulers.

      Your choice.

      • interdimensionalmemeEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        I will be your best friend, then work hard in my lab to create a new unstoppable virus that puts an end to multicellular life on this planet.

    • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      19·
      2 months ago

      When people think about Rome they usually imagine the roads and the aquaducts and not so much the crucifixions and the slavery.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          2 months ago

          Rome was both. The mongols raped and slaughtered. The Romans were too civilized to do that as much, instead they just enslaved some of your village so they could die in the mines or fields or construction projects. And then there’s the internal atrocities. Rome had three servile wars and then without easing up even a bit never had another.

          The Kahns were more like the Shahs, conqueror emperors seeking to hold the great titles of the world like emperor of China or pharaoh and in doing so became one. The Romans were like America “we’re different snd our own thing” before being a different kind of brutal

        • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          Strangely enough I feel like that crucification isn’t much associated with the Romans. Even though the Romans were the ones who carried it out Judas gets almost 100% of the ire.

          Even Jews are given more blame by antisemitic Christians. Like, no one is starting up a pogrom against Italians because their great great great grandpa might’ve been the guy who stabbed Jesus in the ribs.