Thing is that trump still has close to 50% support along with the rest of the republicans and that support is not going to falter due to whats happening in israel. The rebulicans need to lose every time and go away so the dems can split into a proper left and right. They are also the best chance at election reform that might make the us system more multi party. We can only move left if the right is not a winning strategy.
The rebulicans need to lose every time and go away so the dems can split into a proper left and right.
This is ahistorical. The republicans don’t have support because they exist, they exist because their ideas are popular. Fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, there will not be a proper left and right ever. Not that there can be a “proper right.” They will only go away if Capitalism also goes away.
Not only that, but a Left Party cannot gain the donors necessary to maintain power within a Capitalist democracy, the ones with the money and power to influence the government will not work against their own interests.
They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go. Just curbed greatly. Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism. But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go.
Capitalism is declining. Fascism is rising as a response to this, as disparity grows, and the Rate of Profit falls, the middle and upper classes (small and large business owners, essentially) unite against the lower classes, ie wage laborers. Capitalism will go away regardless of your wishes, it is unsustainable in the long run.
Just curbed greatly.
What’s your plan to get this to happen? Without a plan, there’s nothing separating ideals from fantasy.
Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.
Production of commodities for the sake of profit among individual Capital owners competing in a market, via wage laborers.
But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
What are you arguing against here, where you don’t believe you can present your individual interests?
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in. So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining. My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it. Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in.
Why not? Socialism solves the contradictions within Capitalism.
So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining.
Do you have a reason to believe the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall can be eliminated entirely, not just temporarily avoided by, say, outsourcing production to countries with lower cost of living? That’s already been done.
My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it.
That has never worked in the long run, in history. The ones with the power to influence government are the ones with the money, this problem is getting far worse. What is your actual, practicible plan?
Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
You can do that under systems other than Capitalism, why are you tied to it? That’s why I asked what you’re arguing against, that’s like saying you want Capitalism because you want the sun to rise.
How do you take away power from the people who make the laws? Convincing them it’s the right thing to do?
This goes back to a small part of my statement a few replies back. “Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.” If everything I wrote about personal property and profit are fine in your socialism and its a democracy then im fine with it but I would call your socialism a blend of socialism and capitalism which in my view is actually regulated capitalist system.
What do you think Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism are?
The profit motive is bad, accumulation of Capital results in enshittification, increased exploitation, increased disparity, and Imperialism, and should be moved away from.
Socialism doesn’t mean you can’t own your house, or that you can’t express preference, and neither does Communism.
What, specifically, is the advantage of the profit motive, in your eyes?
Additionally, we have shown that we cannot simply regulate Capitalism out of its own destruction, that cannot happen structurally, so why stick with it?
profit comes from pricing. I mean I gave an example. when an apartment complex is built there are different floors and different facings. None of that is part of the cost of building the units. The units cost to build is all the same but depending on personal preference some will want something more than another be it floor or facing. That preference will need to be “fought” over by price which will result in profit or loss. If most folks don’t want a particular facing or floor then those might be sold at loss and made up for with profit from the more wanted units. Even before that construction is determined by cost of materials which is determined by how difficult it is to source them which mostly comes about because of the labor that is needed to do it. Also regulation has shown to result in better capitalism. limiting media ownership is an example. breaking up monopolies, limiting levels of profit, and taxing itself. taxing is the ultimate form of regulation really when done progressively. The more profit you make the harder it is to make more profit if all profit is taxed on a progressive scale.
Yeah its gotten ridiculously bad. Honestly I wish I could like push my current brain into my teenage brain as while I was always environmentally conscious and USliberal/left. I wish I was more cognizant of just how much republicans did not care about it and were just going to get worse and worse. Now that they are just full mask off (or just not trying honestly with the whopper type lies you would have to be a fool to believe). I did not vote republican at the national level but had voted third party a few times but luckily not in one were the republican one but that was really just happenstance.
Thing is that trump still has close to 50% support along with the rest of the republicans and that support is not going to falter due to whats happening in israel. The rebulicans need to lose every time and go away so the dems can split into a proper left and right. They are also the best chance at election reform that might make the us system more multi party. We can only move left if the right is not a winning strategy.
This is ahistorical. The republicans don’t have support because they exist, they exist because their ideas are popular. Fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, there will not be a proper left and right ever. Not that there can be a “proper right.” They will only go away if Capitalism also goes away.
Not only that, but a Left Party cannot gain the donors necessary to maintain power within a Capitalist democracy, the ones with the money and power to influence the government will not work against their own interests.
They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go. Just curbed greatly. Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism. But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
Capitalism is declining. Fascism is rising as a response to this, as disparity grows, and the Rate of Profit falls, the middle and upper classes (small and large business owners, essentially) unite against the lower classes, ie wage laborers. Capitalism will go away regardless of your wishes, it is unsustainable in the long run.
What’s your plan to get this to happen? Without a plan, there’s nothing separating ideals from fantasy.
Production of commodities for the sake of profit among individual Capital owners competing in a market, via wage laborers.
What are you arguing against here, where you don’t believe you can present your individual interests?
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in. So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining. My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it. Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
Why not? Socialism solves the contradictions within Capitalism.
Do you have a reason to believe the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall can be eliminated entirely, not just temporarily avoided by, say, outsourcing production to countries with lower cost of living? That’s already been done.
That has never worked in the long run, in history. The ones with the power to influence government are the ones with the money, this problem is getting far worse. What is your actual, practicible plan?
You can do that under systems other than Capitalism, why are you tied to it? That’s why I asked what you’re arguing against, that’s like saying you want Capitalism because you want the sun to rise.
How do you take away power from the people who make the laws? Convincing them it’s the right thing to do?
This goes back to a small part of my statement a few replies back. “Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.” If everything I wrote about personal property and profit are fine in your socialism and its a democracy then im fine with it but I would call your socialism a blend of socialism and capitalism which in my view is actually regulated capitalist system.
What do you think Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism are?
The profit motive is bad, accumulation of Capital results in enshittification, increased exploitation, increased disparity, and Imperialism, and should be moved away from.
Socialism doesn’t mean you can’t own your house, or that you can’t express preference, and neither does Communism.
What, specifically, is the advantage of the profit motive, in your eyes?
Additionally, we have shown that we cannot simply regulate Capitalism out of its own destruction, that cannot happen structurally, so why stick with it?
profit comes from pricing. I mean I gave an example. when an apartment complex is built there are different floors and different facings. None of that is part of the cost of building the units. The units cost to build is all the same but depending on personal preference some will want something more than another be it floor or facing. That preference will need to be “fought” over by price which will result in profit or loss. If most folks don’t want a particular facing or floor then those might be sold at loss and made up for with profit from the more wanted units. Even before that construction is determined by cost of materials which is determined by how difficult it is to source them which mostly comes about because of the labor that is needed to do it. Also regulation has shown to result in better capitalism. limiting media ownership is an example. breaking up monopolies, limiting levels of profit, and taxing itself. taxing is the ultimate form of regulation really when done progressively. The more profit you make the harder it is to make more profit if all profit is taxed on a progressive scale.
We’ve pretty much been forced into a “don’t let the Nazis take control again” position.
Yeah its gotten ridiculously bad. Honestly I wish I could like push my current brain into my teenage brain as while I was always environmentally conscious and USliberal/left. I wish I was more cognizant of just how much republicans did not care about it and were just going to get worse and worse. Now that they are just full mask off (or just not trying honestly with the whopper type lies you would have to be a fool to believe). I did not vote republican at the national level but had voted third party a few times but luckily not in one were the republican one but that was really just happenstance.