The best part of the fediverse is that anyone can run their own server. The downside of this is that anyone can easily create hordes of fake accounts, as I will now demonstrate.

Fighting fake accounts is hard and most implementations do not currently have an effective way of filtering out fake accounts. I’m sure that the developers will step in if this becomes a bigger problem. Until then, remember that votes are just a number.

    • bloodfartEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Too bad activitypub is carved in stone and can’t be changed for any reason.

        • bloodfartEnglish
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          1 year ago

          You can take the guy out of Reddit…

          My reply to you was sarcasm. Specifications can be changed. Things can be removed from them.

            • bloodfartEnglish
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              1 year ago

              Yeah, it would break all those things for which votes provide no benefit. They should be broken.

              There isn’t any use for votes on a platform that isn’t using them to automatically rank content for the purposes of profit.

              Running a voteless instance of one of those does no good because the problem is structural. Votes aren’t secure and their whole purpose is to manipulate what content gets shown to users. People using the votes to make something get shown (or not) isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

              The existence of a system that ranks content according to votes changes how people behave on the platform. Spinning up an instance that just doesn’t allow or show votes doesn’t change the problem that all the content is produced using the vote system and reflects it.

                • bloodfartEnglish
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                  1 year ago

                  Yeah I know there’s votes on stuff other than lemmy. There shouldn’t be for all the reasons I keep saying. What some other platforms use votes as a stand in for (except for maybe mobilizon, idk much about that one) are weird hacks like the boost/rt implementation or shouldn’t exist.

                  I’m talking about it at the protocol level because you took it there and because without a for profit content mill votes serve no purpose.

                  If votes not being secure isn’t a problem then why does it blow up like crazy every time someone makes a post about it? Also, it’s obviously a huge problem. Minimizing it by saying it’s just part of any federated system just sounds crazy.

                  My overarching point is that the structure informs and defines the function and when there’s a structural reenforcement to karma farming, vote laundering and general shitty Reddit (or twitter) style behavior the solution is to remove that part of the structure.

                  It should come as no surprise to you that I’m not gonna go off half cocked on git about this. I’m well aware that it sounds like primo old man yelling at clouds. The only reason I’m talking to you about it is in the hope that other people see the conversation and go “damn, it sounds weird but he’s cookin’”.

                  Once enough people realize that noncommercial social media has a different form than it’s predecessors there’s an actual chance that some fundamental change to activitypub could happen. That mr smith goes to Washington stuff never worked.