To be fair, the ACAB group didn’t choose a cop/prosecutor… A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.
The back the blue crowd actively chose a felon though.
A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.
Fits their MO.
Even then, as a former
copstate procecutor and district attorney/AG, positions which are well known to have an extensive supportive connection with police and cops that everyone knows operate in lockstep and are functionally 2 sides of the same coin, her voting record has been surprisingly comparatively progressive/left wing sometimes on par with Bernie.She was also progressive as a DA too. She ran on the promise to never seek the death penalty, and she never did. She had a record number of cannabis prosecutions, but a substantially lower number of incarcerations for cannabia.
Her mother is an Indian American doctor, and her father is an Afro-Jamacain American professor of economics. She’s lived in the East Coast, Chicago, California.
She’s progressive. She plays by the rules but she’s progressive.
We won’t be disappointed.
Got a source for the lower number of incarcerations. I’ve been warming up to the idea of voting for Harris instead of against Trump and that would be another + for her.
You better believe I do:
‘Conviction rate aside, only 45 people were sentenced to state prison for marijuana convictions during Harris’ seven years in office, compared with 135 people during Hallinan’s eight years, according to data from the state corrections department. That only includes individuals whose most serious conviction was for marijuana.’
That was a very enlightening read. Thank you for sharing.
I’m voting for her, and I think everyone else should too, but her record as DA isn’t all sunshine and roses.
Yes, this is a 2019 article, but all that stuff was in the past then just as much as it is now:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/kamala-cop-record/596758/
Closing paragraphs of that article:
I can forgive a politician a vote on a crime bill that looks ill-conceived two decades later, or a too-slow evolution toward marijuana legalization, or even a principled belief in the death penalty, something I adamantly oppose. I find it far harder to forgive fighting to keep a man in jail in the face of strong evidence of innocence, running a team of prosecutors that withholds potentially exculpatory evidence from defense attorneys, and utterly failing as the state’s top prosecutor to rein in glaringly corrupt district attorneys and law enforcement.
At best, Harris displayed a pattern of striking ignorance about scandalous misconduct in hierarchies that she oversaw. And she is now asking the public to place her atop a bigger, more complicated, more powerful hierarchy, where abuses and unaccountable officials would do even more to subvert liberty and justice for all.
as a former cop
When was she a cop? Thought she was a (assistant ) district attorney and then AG.
People consider that part of the extended cop family.
Reason why its considered part of the family is because for every cop that does bad but nothing ever happens to them, you can thank the DA for that choice.
To add to this, high level prosecutors need the backing of the police to do their job well. Cops are the ones on the streets making arrests, collecting evidence, and enforcing the laws. If they don’t like a district attorney, they can look the other way and make it difficult for them to do their job.
In my opinion one of the big reasons so many cops aren’t prosecuted in this country is the prosecutors don’t want to lose their political will with the cops.
In San Francisco, cops refused to do their jobs until the progressive DA who promised to punish bad cops was forced out.
I’m guessing the “back the blue” folks only consider someone a cop if they’re in the police union. Which is also funny because they tend to vastly support candidates that want to strip union rights
They also want to defund the IRS and other federal agencies, which exist to enforce laws. Once of the biggest CSAM busts in history was spearheaded by a single IRS agent and resulted in hundreds of arrests across the globe, including a border patrol agent. It ended with taking down a huge darknet website called “welcome to video.”
Makes sense, and is a perfect addition to my recent comment:
That’s entirely possible. I honestly don’t know where they draw thier little thin lines.
If only we could convert their mental gymnastics to physical gymnastics we’d have a limitless source of renewable energy
Lol the Mentalympics
She literally called herself the “Top Cop” in multiple speeches.
Kamala Was a Cop. Black People Knew It First.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
I call myself “Top Lover” but if you talk to my wife you’d get a different story…
I’m so sorry bostonbananarama’s wife…
Why? She’s a Top. Makes sense, really.
I’m more using cop as a shorthand for “consistently on the side of the police and the State in the criminal justice system as a criminal prosecutor and district attorney” instead of “she was literally a uniformed officer”
IMHO, forced seems a bit harsh. The co-elected incumbent VP is historically the backup when something goes down with the President and you’re outside of an election cycle.
The primaries already happened, there is no time to print ballots, stand up polling stations, and get the public to vote before the Ohio roll call to get a candidate on the ballot. This would probably be impossible even if Biden dropped out on that debate stage.
The party / delegates are basically forced to pick someone, and using the precedent of a the VP being the fallback, this is probably the most democratic option. She was elected with Biden in 2020.
Even if Biden dropped out before the primary, Kamala would have had an incredible advantage over all other candidates. She very likely would have been the nominee.
There are things to get upset about. The most likely alternative taking over is not one of them.
This is true.
Oh? Harris wasn’t part of the ticket that won the majority of delegates at the Primary…?
EDIT: Wow, Lemmy.world really wants to elect Donald Trump again. I mean, fair enough I guess (for those who can actually vote in US elections), I just wasn’t expecting all the immediate attacks to be in such bad faith.
$100,000,000 (mostly small donors) and 40,000 new voters in the 24 hours after she announced she was running.
Like anyone, she’s not perfect, but we’re excited and energized about the candidate… finally. We will fight against fascism and actually improve things with Kamala Harris…
There was a primary?
Hilarious. But yes, there was. And Biden’s delegates were freed the moment he announced he wasn’t going to run. In other words people had 2 chances to challenge him if they wanted. It would have been an uphill battle, but it was possible. No one did…
I can’t tell if you’re sealioning or just aggressively ignorant…
edit: Shifting the goalposts in your edit doesn’t make your original statement any less ignorant.
Even ignoring all the structural issues like donors and media that prevent a truly open process the fact that Biden was the incumbent meant there was even more pressure from the DNC to not have a legitimate competitor run.
Saying she won the most delegates so she was everyone first choice is being basically blind to how the primary process actually operates.
If wealthy donors weren’t as important to the process, if she wasn’t the incumbent VP after a very unusual occupancy of the incumbent president stepping down this late, and you had something like ranked choice you would get a very different answer. This should be obvious to anyone because in the last “fair” primary in 2020 she and Biden were among the least popular candidates before the other centrists dropped out all together.
Not to mention the record-setting >100 million in grassroots small dollar donations in the first day and a half after Biden dropped out. I’d call that a lot of support.
The ACAB people have never been opposed to laws or prosecution of criminals. The problem is that the cops and their powerful friends tend to be immune to those laws.
It’s certainly true that some laws and some sentencing ranges are unjust, but that’s different from saying that laws themselves ought not exist. And although we’ve seen several high profile cases recently where prosecutors are clearly dirty as hell, that’s probably less common than the dirtiness ratio among the pigs.
This is too broad an interpretation of ACAB. The concept is specifically about policing and takes no stance on the concept of law. That’s a consideration seated in political theory. No movement is a monolith. Progressive liberals, socialists, and anarchists alike share ACAB in common but have differing views on laws/enforcement/justice system.
Also, ACAB doesn’t mean there are no good cops. Just that even the good cops are sullied by being a part of an organization that promotes and protects those who commit terrible crimes. Sort of like, “Even the really good ones are sort of bad.”
Good cops get chased out.
Good cops who stay end up getting silenced or killed.
Until you cut the rot, ACAB.
You’re both saying pretty much the same thing. ACAB isn’t really about the people, it’s about the system that’s set up to promote abuse of power and suppress those trying to do good. Cutting the rot won’t solve the problem because there will always be more rot. What’s needed is complete reform.
Sorry didn’t mean to come off argumentative or challenging your comment. Was just clarifying.
“A rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor”, the 1130s version of the famous proverb.
It also suggests the solution: remove the bad apples before they can spoil the bunch. But, bad cops are protected, and as a result the whole institution is rotten.
Also, if you end up with a whole box full of rotten apples, the only solution is to throw it away and start fresh. Police reform processes almost never do that. They try to keep most of the cops, even the supervisors, in their jobs. Then try to fix it with extra training, or outside supervision or something.
There should be laws, and if there are laws there’s a need for law enforcement. But, other countries around the world have managed to do that in a way where their law enforcers are properly supervised. They’ve found a way to have specialized units that deal with violent crime or organized crime, so that the rest of the law enforcers don’t have to walk around with a life-or-death mindset. Most importantly, they have a culture that a police officer is a public servant whose main job is to help people in very stressful situations. In the US the culture is that every person you encounter is potentially going to kill you, so you and your brothers need to approach every situation as though your life is on the line.
Good cops don’t let bad cops do bad things. Which is another way of saying that I agree with you, but I would prefer to categorize cops based on their actions and not based on their theoretical potential, because we have to live with the former. Or die from it, as happens all too often.
Prosecutors are like cops more than they are different. They work with them day to day. They have the power to charge the bad ones with crimes, but they rarely do, and even then they often overcharge or put up a poor case so the cop goes free. They also overcharge people to force plea deals and avoid trials. This goes double for those who can’t afford bail and have to spend years in jail waiting for a trial. Prosecutors are every bit as bad and corrupt as the police.
People don’t like cops because of the lack of accountability. Between Kamala and Trump which one do you think is more lacking in accountability?
these are their stories
“Choosing” is a strong word.
Well it’s certainly the quirk of your electoral college and system that there’s only two candidates with any chance.
But there is a choice between one that wants to fix that by removing choice all together and one that might, overtime, be moved towards giving the fundamental problem (if consistently voted for with a large enough majority).
A pretty fundamental choice, if you ask me.
Prosecutor ≠ Cop
Yea, seems weird to me to call a prosecutor a cop. I don’t understand why people seem to be equating the two. Maybe I’m just ignorant on how that works.
It’s not literal, it’s sort of a slang thing. Basically just means anyone seeking to get people locked up
You’re not. They are two very different responsibilities. I think a lot of people just generally hate lawyers, too.
Someone should tell Kamala because that’s how she described herself.
I really thought America had jumped the shark, but the trailer for this season looks fucking wild. The writers really pulled out all the stops.
are you kidding? it seemed like they were just retreading the same exact plot points of last season, everyone said they got lazy and BAM plot twist actually a black and Indian living woman instead of a white corpse… the ratings are surging right now
It’s normal they go wild. It’s the final season after all.
I’ve heard rumors of a spin off/crossover with “The handmaid’s Tale”. Current narrative seems to fit
I dont know what I’m looking forward to the most, the “Handmaid” ending or the “Jericho” ending.
Not choosing a cop, choosing not Hitler 2 Orange Boogaloo
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I don’t think its too spicy, I just think it isn’t very smart or strategic.
The ACAB crowd obviously doesn’t love Harris precisely because she’s a cop, but as Transient Punk pointed out, the ACAB crowd didn’t choose Harris and don’t represent most of the Democratic party, who skew right-wing. (Whereas the back-the-blue types overlap much more with uncritical enthusiasm for Trump, who they see as an innocent man who has been wrongfully convicted by a corrupt and politically motivated justice system.)
The Democratic coalition made up of progressive, leftists, and more right-wing liberals holds together by pragmatically overlooking these divisions and cooperating against the even-further-right, and this meme sows division right before a major election where Democrats are divided (e.g. over Israel) and having a hard time unifying.
In that sense this meme will get a reaction, but again not because it is spicy but because it is divisive.
that was articulated well. it’s accurate but will still draw scepticism.
Anything with nuance will evoke skeptical ire
This guy used the word “nuance!” GIT 'IM!!!
Eh I don’t think it’s that divisive. We can still rally behind Kamala while being self aware.
All cops are bastards, but sometimes there are even bigger bastards.
Look, you people are all jackasses. Stop that shit. Bastards aren’t that bad a folk here. Sure, have a laugh, but I’m fucking serious here.
What?
I think they’re saying that saying ACAB is unfair to bastards.
There’s right wing misinformation going around that Kamala Harris prosecuted over 1900 cases of misdemeanor drug possession charges during her seven years as a DA - sending those people to jail.
THIS IS NOT TRUE!
she oversaw roughly that many cases, but ONLY 45 saw jail time, and since 2018 she’s been a campaigner against the laws that jail people for minor possession charges. Convictions for such crimes drastically dropped during her time there.
I know the left always complains that the right don’t check sources - but frankly no one does. So do better, and do basic research before spreading any information thoughtlessly. GET THE FACTS!
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/
Ok…? She’s still a cop.
How is she a “cop” if she was a prosecutor? They’re not even in the same branch of government. Police is executive branch, a prosecutor is judicial branch.
In most states attorney generals have arresting privileges and are the top cop in the state. They would be responsible for arresting sheriffs or even a governor for crimes.
Weird system. In most countries public prosecutors are firmly in the judicial branch, because they are expected to be impartial and independent from the executive branch.
It’s an elected position in most American states
If you think the US is a country with reasonable policies you haven’t been paying attention.
Prosecutors are executive branch. Prosecutors are the ones that legally accuse people of committing crimes in court using evidence that the police obtain. They work in court but they are not arms of the court.
Vote for Harris anyway.
I’m not an expert on the American justice system, and I guess it shows, but in most countries prosecutors are magistrates who are part of the judiciary and who are independent from the executive branch. For example in my country it’s like this: https://www.advocaat.be/en/words/magistracy
IIRC, this comes from the Napoleonic Code which many countries used as a basis for their legal system.
The US system is based on English Common Law. (Except for Louisiana which actually has Napoleonic Law influence)
The Judiciary in the US is supposed to be impartial and apolitical. It is impossible to achieve full impartiality, but we have some rudimentary structures to make the system more impartial.
For the federal system the President heads the executive branch. The Attorney General (AG) heads the Department of Justice (DoJ) and the lower ranked prosecutors are internal to the Department of Justice.
The FBI and other law enforcement branches of the Federal government are also under the DoJ umbrella. They collect information on suspected crimes and give reports to the AG’s office. The AG’s office then files a criminal action against the suspected perpetrator in US District Court.
The suspect/ Defendant can hire an attorney to represent them or be appointed an attorney from the Federal Public Defender’s Office if they qualify. (Public defender’s are also under the executive branch.)
Judges (and the judicial branch) are more like referees who are there to make sure everyone follows procedure. In the US a jury must convict you unless you waive that right. So, the judge doesn’t even get a say in whether you are convicted unless something has seriously gone wrong. (JNOV/ directed verdict)
Kamala Harris was a States Attorney (District Attorney) in San Francisco in California and later the AG of California. California has a similar set up to the federal system, but replace the president with the governor of California. The State’s justice departments do not answer to the federal DoJ.
Thanks for the neatly summarized overview.
“cop/prosecutor”
Or as most people say, “prosecutor”
lmaooo too funny. And too real
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This is the only meme round here proven to be too spicy
turns out empire is empire, regardless of who’s sitting on the throne! who would’ve thought 🤷
This gets down voted so hard but it’s not really a critism. As seen by current events.
