Can’t wait for the ADA lawsuit to hit.
Those lawyers are probably itching to start.
I don’t know about “itching.” From what I’ve read whether websites like reddit are subject to the ADA is debatable. Is there even a precident for something like this?
One year ago, Domino’s Pizza lost a court case where they argued they didn’t have to make their website ADA accessible, because a blind person could always call the restaurant and make their order. This argument failed in court, and Domino’s is now required to make their site ADA accessible.
https://www.boia.org/blog/the-robles-v.-dominos-settlement-and-why-it-matters
It’s literally a similar case, involving a plaintiff with a vision disability.
I want to see spez on the stand, having to answer why he did this. Should be good for a laugh.
I was about the question how the ADA would apply to websites but then I bothered to check. I am surprised at how broadly the DoJ applies the “businesses open to the public” definition.
I think this is a good thing but I wonder at what threshold do they enforce this. If I decide to self-host some wiki on the most esoteric lore behind the game of Lemmings for my audience of six people, can I be fined and/or forced to shut down because my website doesn’t adhere to the ADA guidelines for website accessibility? Because I’m an untalented hack who can barely stand up an instance of WordPress I am not allowed to publicly present anything on the internet?
I’m sure there is nuance to this but I couldn’t find it. I’m not being hyperbolic either, I’m genuinely curious. I feel like this is the cops shutting down a 10 year old’s lemonade stand because they don’t have a license or health certificate. (Shaky analogy but you know what I’m driving at.)
If none of the 6 users are blind or been asking for accommodations, I think you’re good. But the blind community literally put Reddit on notice that, if 3rd party apps are forced to shutter and the official app doesn’t have accommodations, then the blind won’t be able to continue to use the site.
This seems like a cut and dried case to me. Reddit should not have forced out the 3PA until they had a plan to handle the disabled users. Instead, they figuratively gave the blind the finger and went ahead full speed, KNOWING (because the blind users had already put them on notice) that Reddit was going to be unusable for this group. This seems like textbook discrimination.
A wiki on the esoteric lore of Lemmings isn’t a business.
It is if your audience of 6 each pays you $1500 a month.
Not a lawyer, but your six-person site might be protected because it’s so small. There are some laws that have to be enforced no matter how small the violation, but the penalty might be proportional to the size of violation, but there are also laws where the case just gets thrown out if no one is actually harmed. I don’t know which it is in this case, but either way, I suspect no one bothers picking a legal fight super-tiny sites unless they have personal beef with the owner.
Maybe I’m being an idiot but to what are private companies requires to support blind people or people with disabilities?
Or is this an issue with employment? So Reddit employs these people and are hence required to ensure that their disability needs are met.
What would the lawsuit be about?
Not American but my understanding is ADA says that physical businesses have to provide accessibility accomodations for disabled customers. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any precedent for it being applied to wholly online businesses though
Wow. Entirely unsurprising, but no less disappointing or infuriating.
Saddest part is that Reddit corporate most likely didn’t even consider the possibility of visually impaired moderators. Probably assumed by default that no one of any importance would have a disability, which is pretty standard for how persons with disabilities are perceived by society in general.
They didn’t at first, and then when the issue was raised to them, they… Went ahead with their plans anyway
You don’t make a massive change to third party api access, especially in thirty days, if you actually know how your product works. Either non of the admins use Reddit or they aren’t paying attention to what their users are doing at all. It’s a bad look no matter what.
It is sad that the only time they are going to do something for disabled people is when they need to profit from them. They did nothing for them all this time; they were forced to use third party applications.
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I love watching the dumpster fire get bigger and bigger
I’m a person with the beginning stages of optic neuritis (due to multiple sclerosis). How in the hell could you overlook accessibility in 2023? My mind is blown.
You don’t care Reddit.
This is completely appalling. A desperate money grab that hurts the vulnerable the most.
hurts the vulnerable the most.
Between this and their users vs. mods / divide-and-conquer strategy, straight from the scumbag politician playbook.
I cant open the link. What happened?
