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    1 year ago

    This one has some actual credibility to it; although I don’t agree with the summary it at least seems plausible. Can you send me some arguments I can read for why it was more a coup d’état than a legitimate revolution? What percentage of Ukrainians, as a ballpark, would you estimate supported Yanukovych’s removal?

    Completely irrelevant. Mrs Newland made it absolutely clear that it was a coup. What Ukrainians wanted never played any role.

    How many Ukrainian troops are literally on the eastern side of the border vs. Russian troops on the western side of the border?

    Proxy army, so the UA. Around a million men at the start of the SMO.

    Around how many literal casualties were there in this war? How many Russian-speaking Ukrainians killed or wounded by NATO weapons (pre-Russian-invasion, if you’re going to argue that the Russian’s special operation was in defense of Ukrainians)?

    14.000 to 15.000 dead. With many, many, more fleeing to Russia. Russian opposition parties were demanding military action under the clause “responsibility to protect” (created to justify the bombing of Serbia and creation of Kosovo) for years.

    Can you tell me more about the planned fortress? Where is the base or bases planned to be built, and where can I read more about the timelines or other plans?

    The US wanted Sevastopol.

    What statements or actions by US or NATO members can you point to that attempted to “draw” Russia into attacking Ukraine?

    The last 8 years for example. The two Minsk agreements, which Ukraine never honored, and which the german chancellor, the french president and the the ukrainian president at the time outright stated were only means to stall for time.

    I’d agree with this part, yes. I’m still lost as to why it’s the US’s fault that it happened.

    Coup 2014, arming of the UA, full support of local fascists. All done by the US, in the open.

    Can you elaborate on the provocation? Did Ukraine, for example, annex any territory from the Russian Federation, or bomb apartment buildings or hospitals on the Russian side of the border? If they had done either of those things, what would you say a reasonable response from Russia would have been?

    The UA shelled civilian centers in Donbas (still does btw), after the region seceeded. 14 to 15.000 dead. Hospitals, hotels, markets, schools, all was shelled. Whenever they lose against russian forces they still tend to shell Donezk. recently they hit a bus stop and killed a lot of civilians. A few wqeeks before they fired artillery mines into the city, those things look somewhat like children toys.

    Honestly, did you sleep the last 8 years? The war is ongoing since then, Russia just joined in last year. It wasn’t a new war or anything.